US expert slams WMD 'delusions'

[Skunk]

No, not Scott Ritter this time - but David Kay!

US expert slams WMD 'delusions'
Weapons of mass destruction do not exist in Iraq and it is "delusional" to think they will be found, says former chief US weapons inspector David Kay.

Mr Kay told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that British and American leaders should simply apologise and admit that they were wrong.

He said Saddam Hussein had intended to reconstitute his weapons programme at some point and had acted illegally.

However, there were no actual WMD stockpiles, he said.

Mr Kay led the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq until he stepped down as head of the Iraq Survey Group in January.

He said at the time that he did not believe there had been large-scale production of chemical or biological weapons in Iraq since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991.

In his latest comments, Mr Kay referred to the UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair, by name.

"Anyone out there holding - as I gather Prime Minister Blair has recently said - the prospect that, in fact, the Iraq Survey Group is going to unmask actual weapons of mass destruction, are really delusional," he said.

"There is nothing there. There is a programme there. There was an intention of Saddam Hussein at some point to reconstitute it.

"There were clearly illegal activities, clear violations of UN Security Council resolutions. We have accumulated that evidence and really have accumulated that evidence to a considerable degree four months ago.

"There are not actual stockpiles of newly produced weapons of mass destruction."

Mr Kay repeated his previous assertions that the US-led coalition had been mistaken in its assumption that Saddam Hussein had possessed the banned weapons.

"We simply got it wrong," he said. "Iraq was a dangerous country, Saddam was an evil man and we are better off without him and all of that. But we were wrong in our estimation."
BBC News

Time for a Hatchet job on the man, 'Scott Ritter' style. Maybe someone can arrange to have him found carrying drugs or implicate him in underage sex as well?

[Black Baron]

Edwin\ No WoMD were found in iraq, therefore Saddam had none in the first place. Excellent deduction. /Edwin

So there are no Womd in Iraq.
Did any one check Syria?

Jan\ It reminds me of that time waaaaay back /Jan, when police raided some house when searching for drugs. The drugs owner hid it in his friends house, so the judge deducted that he had none.

Untill USA checks Syria, this isue is unsolvable.

[Davros]

I agree with Black Baron's point that checking Syria makes the issue irrefutable.

On the other hand though, the "Syria conspiricists" should accept that there is enough paperwork on hand from enough factories and government departments that appears to establish that Iraq was not in the business of manufacturing WOMD in the period of the inspections and international threats.

Did they use to have WOMD 5-15 years ago - categorically yes. Did they unload some of that old stuff to Syria - possibly. Did they want to get back into the WOMD game - most probably. Were they producing WOMD in the prior 3-5 years - the evidence says NOT and until something says they did, the NOT position is firming towards being conclusive.

Sooner or later on this last point the intelligence community needs to produce their proof or say "whoops - sorry". Does it change a whole lot - not really - most people's minds are already pretty much madeup as to what they think of the Iraq war and the actions of their respective governments. Saying "we got it wrong" ain't gunna change a whole lot.

[Skunk]

Originally posted by Black Baron: Edwin\ No WoMD were found in iraq, therefore Saddam had none in the first place. Excellent deduction. /Edwin So there are no Womd in Iraq. Did any one check Syria? Jan\ It reminds me of that time waaaaay back /Jan, when police raided some house when searching for drugs. The drugs owner hid it in his friends house, so the judge deducted that he had none. Untill USA checks Syria, this isue is unsolvable.

The only WMD in the region are in Israel, Black Baron.
Perhaps we should check there first?

[Timber Loftis]

Ooooh, isn't Skunk quick with the gloves off.

And, Skunk you certainly realize that you just made a false statement. Ruin your credibility if you like, but only a nincompoop would believe that NO WMD are habored in Syria, Iran, etc. -- at the very least WMD gas is certainly stored/made by those countries. Assuming it's not (which is a ludicrous stretch for one who is pragmatic), there is still the missing gas stores of Saddam -- which certainly wound up in one or more locations in the region.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Skunk: "Saddam Hussein had intended to reconstitute his weapons programme at some point and had acted illegally." "There is a programme there. There was an intention of Saddam Hussein at some point to reconstitute it." "There were clearly illegal activities, clear violations of UN Security Council resolutions. We have accumulated that evidence and really have accumulated that evidence to a considerable degree four months ago. "Iraq was a dangerous country, Saddam was an evil man and we are better off without him and all of that."

Once you remove the bias, you find these quotes. Balance is a beautiful thing you've seemed to miss Skunk.

[Stratos]

Davros' post pretty much summed up my own opinion about the whole thing. Good post! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Skunk: No, not Scott Ritter this time - but David Kay! US expert slams WMD 'delusions' Weapons of mass destruction do not exist in Iraq and it is "delusional" to think they will be found, says former chief US weapons inspector David Kay. Mr Kay told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that British and American leaders should simply apologise and admit that they were wrong. He said Saddam Hussein had intended to reconstitute his weapons programme at some point and had acted illegally. However, there were no actual WMD stockpiles, he said. Mr Kay led the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq until he stepped down as head of the Iraq Survey Group in January. He said at the time that he did not believe there had been large-scale production of chemical or biological weapons in Iraq since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991. In his latest comments, Mr Kay referred to the UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair, by name. "Anyone out there holding - as I gather Prime Minister Blair has recently said - the prospect that, in fact, the Iraq Survey Group is going to unmask actual weapons of mass destruction, are really delusional," he said. "There is nothing there. There is a programme there. There was an intention of Saddam Hussein at some point to reconstitute it. "There were clearly illegal activities, clear violations of UN Security Council resolutions. We have accumulated that evidence and really have accumulated that evidence to a considerable degree four months ago. "There are not actual stockpiles of newly produced weapons of mass destruction." Mr Kay repeated his previous assertions that the US-led coalition had been mistaken in its assumption that Saddam Hussein had possessed the banned weapons. "We simply got it wrong," he said. "Iraq was a dangerous country, Saddam was an evil man and we are better off without him and all of that. But we were wrong in our estimation." BBC News Time for a Hatchet job on the man, 'Scott Ritter' style. Maybe someone can arrange to have him found carrying drugs or implicate him in underage sex as well?

So no new WMD were found in Iraq. Gee, I guess we shouldn't have been so mean to poor Mr. Hussein, then. I will agree that Bush and Blair should admit that their intelligence information regarding WMD appears to have been wrong. Oh - Wait - they already did that and were roundly criticized for not being more suspicious of the information they received.

Never mind that Hussein had actually USED WMD on the Kurds back in the 90's and had threatened to do the same to the U.S. through terrorist attacks. Never mind that Hussein's own scientists were feeding HIM false information regarding the number of WMD's they had on hand (even Hussein thought he had more than he really did), and - finally - let's just ignore the fact that Hussein had PLENTY of time to move any WMD's he may have had out of the country. I agree that the conjecture of moving the WMD's seems a little shaky. After all, you're country is being invaded - if you've got ANY WMD's, THAT would seem like the best time to use them. Then again, that also implies that the leader actually plans to stay in country and fight the infidels with every thing he has instead of leaving his troops to be slaughtered while he breaks for the nearest border at max speed.

But none of those issues really matter anymore. What DOES strike me is the highlighted portion of the interview, where David Kay acknowledges they have accumulated "considerable evidence" proving that Saddam Hussein was engaging in "clear violations of U.N. Resolutions". In other words, they have gathered apparantly irrefutable proof that Saddam Hussein DID engage in numerous illegal activities that specifically violated the U.N. Resolutions.

And what was the U.N. wanting to do about this??? Anybody??? That's right...let's give Saddam just a little more time to stop violating these sanctions and start obeying the rules. I'm sure he will eventually cease these violations if we just put enough pressure on him.

{sigh} Saddam Hussein was a blight on humanity in general and a sadistic, torturous dictator of the worst stripe. Maybe the information about the WMD's was wrong, but it was NOT THE ONLY REASON LISTED FOR GOING TO WAR!!! It may have been the most oft mentioned reason, but it was not the ONLY reason...and - by his own admission - David Kay and his group found more than enough evidence to justify the action taken against Saddam Hussein.

Of course, we could have left the decision of how to handle Saddam Husssein with the U.N.. And if we had done that, Saddam and his boys would still be murdering and torturing anybody that looked at them wrong while the U.N. engaged in some very serious hand-wringing and issued "harsh reprimands" condemning their behavior.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Skunk: quote: Originally posted by Black Baron: Edwin\ No WoMD were found in iraq, therefore Saddam had none in the first place. Excellent deduction. /Edwin So there are no Womd in Iraq. Did any one check Syria? Jan\ It reminds me of that time waaaaay back /Jan, when police raided some house when searching for drugs. The drugs owner hid it in his friends house, so the judge deducted that he had none. Untill USA checks Syria, this isue is unsolvable.

The only WMD in the region are in Israel, Black Baron.
Perhaps we should check there first? [/QUOTE]And Pakistan Skunk. And India Skunk. And Russia Skunk. So quick to point the finger at Israel.

And Skunk, what's your opinion on Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait? What's the commonality between them I wonder?

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: In other words, they have gathered apparantly irrefutable proof that Saddam Hussein DID engage in numerous illegal activities that specifically violated the U.N. Resolutions. And what was the U.N. wanting to do about this??? Anybody???

Don't even dare to complain about the UN enforcing resolutions when no country has done more to undermine this process than America.

UN Resolutions violated or ignored, by Iraq:

UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990 UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991 UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991 UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991 UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991 UNSCR 715 - October 11, 1991 UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994 UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996 UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996 UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997 UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997 UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997 UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998 UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998 UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998 UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999

UN Resolutions violated, ignored, by Israel:

[list=1] [*] SC Resolution 42 (1948) of 5 March 1948 [Adopted at 263rd meeting (8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Argentina, Syria, United Kingdom)] [*]SC Resolution 43 (1948) of 1 April 1948 [Adopted at 277th meeting - unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 44 (1948) of 1 April 1948 [Adopted at 277th meeting (9-0-2) (2 abstentions were Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 46 (1948) of 17 April 1948 [Adopted at 283rd meeting (9-0-2) (2 abstentions were Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 48 (1948) of 23 April 1948 [Adopted at 287th meeting (8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Colombia, Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 49 (1948) of 22 May 1948 [Adopted at 302nd meeting (8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Syria, Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 50 (1948) of 29 May 1948 [Adopted at 310th meeting (Draft was voted on in parts, no vote taken on text as a whole.)] [*]SC Resolution 53 (1948) of 7 July 1948 [Adopted at 331st meeting (8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Syria, Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 54 (1948) of 15 July 1948 [Adopted at 338th meeting (7-1-3) (1 against was Syria, 3 abstentions were Argentina, Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 56 (1948) of 19 August 1948 [Adopted at 354th meeting (Draft was voted on in parts, no vote taken on the text as a whole.)] [*]SC Resolution 57 (1948) of 18 September 1948 [Adopted at 358th meeting-unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 59 (1948) of 19 October 1948 [Adopted at 367th meeting -unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 60 (1948) of 29 October 1948 [Adopted at 375th meeting (without a vote)] [*]SC Resolution 61 (1948) of 4 November 1948 [Adopted at 377th meeting (9-1-1) (1 against was Ukrainian S.S.R.; 1 abstention was U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 62 (1948) of 16 November 1948 [Adopted at 381st meeting (Draft was voted on in parts, no vote taken on the text as a whole.)] [*]SC Resolution 66 (1948) of 29 December 1948 [Adopted at 396th meeting (8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R., U.S.)] [*]SC Resolution 69 (1949) of 4 March 1949 [Adopted at 414th meeting (9-1-1) (1 against was Egypt, 1 abstention was U.K.)] [*]SC Resolution 72 (1949) of 11 August 1949 [Adopted at 437th meeting (without vote)] [*]SC Resolution 73 (1949) of 11 August 1949 [Adopted at 437th meeting (9-0-2) (2 abstentions were Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 101 (1953) of 24 November 1953 [Adopted at 642nd meeting (9-0-2) (2 abstentions were Lebanon, U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 89 (1950) of 17 November 1950 [Adopted at 524th meeting (10-0-2) (2 abstentions were Egypt, U.S.S.R.)] [*]SC Resolution 119 (1956) of 31 October 1956 [Adopted at 751st meeting (7-2-2) (2 against were France, U.K., 2 abstentions were Australia, Belgium)] [*]SC Resolution 127 (1958) of 22 January 1958 [Adopted at 810th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"; [*]SC Resolution 162 (1961) of 11 April 1961 [Adopted at 949th meeting (8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Ceylon, U.S.S.R., United Arab Republic) ". . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"; [*]SC Resolution 228 (1966) of 25 November 1966 [Adopted at 1328th meeting (14-01) (1 abstention was New Zealand)] [*]SC Resolution 233 (1967) of 6 June 1967 [Adopted at 1348th meeting - unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 234 (1967) of 7 June 1967 [Adopted at 1350th meeting - unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 237 (1967) of 14 June 1967 [Adopted at 1361st meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"; [*]SC Resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 [Adopted 1382nd meeting -unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 248 (1968) of 24 March 1968 [Adopted at 1407th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"; [*]SC Resolution 250 (1968) of 27 April 1968 [Adopted at 1417th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"; [*]SC Resolution No. 251 (1968) of 2 May 1968 [Adopted at 1420th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"; [*]SC Resolution No. 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968 [Adopted at 1426th meeting (13-0-2) (2 abstentions were Canada, U.S.)] ". . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"; [*]SC Resolution 259 (1968) of 27 September 1968 [Adopted at 1454th meeting (12-0-3) (3 abstentions were Canada, Denmark, U.S.)] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"; [*]SC Resolution 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969 [Adopted at 1485th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"; [*]SC Resolution 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969 [Adopted at 1512th meeting (11-0-4) (4 abstentions were Colombia, Finland, Paraguay, U.S.)] ". . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"; [*]SC Resolution 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 [Adopted at 1582nd meeting (14-0-1)(1 abstention was Syria)] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"; [*]SC Resolution 331 (1973) of 20 April 1973 [Adopted at 1710th meeting - unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 338 (1973) of 22 October 1973 [Adopted at 1747th meeting-unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 339 (1973) of 23 October 1973 [Adopted at 1748th meeting (14-0-0) (China did not vote)] [*]SC Resolution 344 (1973) of 15 December 1973 [Adopted at 1760th meeting (10-0-4) (4 abstentions were France, U.S.S.R., U.K., U.S.)] [*]SC Resolution 381 (1975) of 30 November 1975 [Adopted at 1856th meeting (13-0-0) (China and Iraq did not vote)] [*]SC Resolution 425 (1978) of 19 March 1978 [Adopted at 2074th meeting (12-0-2) (2 abstentions were Czechoslovakia and U.S.S.R., China did not participate in the voting)] ". . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"; [*]SC Resolution 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979 [Adopted at 2134th meeting (12-0-3) (3 abstentions were Norway, U.K., U.S.)] ". . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"; [*]SC Resolution 452 (1979) of 20 July 1979 [Adopted at 2159th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"; [*]SC Resolution 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980 [Adopted at 2203rd meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"; [*]SC Resolution 468 (1980) of 8 May 1980 [Adopted at 2221st meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"; [*]SC Resolution 469 (1980) of 20 May 1980 [Adopted at 2223rd meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"; [*]SC Resolution 471 (1980) of 5 June 1980 [Adopted at 2226th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"; [*]SC Resolution 476 (1980) of 30 June 1980 [Adopted at 2242nd meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"; [*]SC Resolution 478 (1980) of 20 August 1980 [Adopted at 2245th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"; [*]SC Resolution 484 (1980) of 19 December 1980 [Adopted 2260th meeting-unanimously] ". . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"; [*]SC Resolution 500 (1982) of 28 January 1982 [Adopted at 2330th meeting (13-0-2) (2 abstentions were U.K., U.S.)] [*]SC Resolution 508 (1982) of 5 June 1982 [Adopted at 2374th meeting -unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 509 (1982) of 6 June 1982 [Adopted at 2375th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"; [*]SC Resolution 512 (1982) of 19 June 1982 [Adopted at 2380th meeting - unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 513 (1982) of 4 July 1982 [Adopted at 2382nd meeting - unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 515 (1982) of 29 July 1982 [Adopted at 2385th meeting (14-0-0) (U.S. did not participate in the vote.)] ". . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"; [*]SC Resolution 516 (1982) of 1 August 1982 [Adopted at 2386th meeting - unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 517 (1982) of 4 August 1982 [Adopted at 2389th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"; [*]SC Resolution 518 (1982) of 12 August 1982 [Adopted at 2392nd meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"; [*]SC Resolution 520 (1982) of 17 September 1982 [Adopted at 2395th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"; [*]SC Resolution 521 (1982) of 19 September 1982 [Adopted 2396th meeting-unanimously] [*]SC Resolution 573 (1985) of 4 October 1985 [Adopted at 2615th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.) ". . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters; [*]SC Resolution 592 (1986) of 8 December 1986 [Adopted at 2727th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"; [*]SC Resolution 605 (1987) of 22 December 1987 [Adopted at 2777th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians; [*]SC Resolution 607 (1988) of 5 January 1988 [Adopted at 2780th meeting - unanimously] ".. . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention; [*]SC Resolution 608 (1988) of 14 January 1988 [Adopted at 2781st meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"; [*]SC Resolution 611 (1988) of 25 April 1988 [Adopted at 2810th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] [*]SC Resolution 636 (1989) of 6 July 1989 [Adopted at 2870th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians; [*]SC Resolution 641 (1989) of 30 August 1989 [Adopted at 2883rd meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians; [*]SC Resolution 672 (1990) of 12 October 1990 [Adopted at 2948th meeting-unanimously] ". . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount; [*]SC Resolution 673 (1990) of 24 October 1990 [Adopted at 2949th meeting-unanimously] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations; [*]SC Resolution 681 (1990) of 20 December 1990 [Adopted at 2970th meeting -unanimously] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians; [*]SC Resolution 694 (1991) of 24 May 1991 [Adopted at 2989th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return; [*]SC Resolution 726 (1992) of 6 January 1992 [Adopted at 3026th meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians; [*]SC Resolution 799 (1992) of 18 December 1992 [Adopted at 3151st meeting-unanimously] ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return." [*]SC Resolution 904 (1994) of 18 March 1994 [Adopted at 3351st meeting - unanimously (Draft was voted on in parts, with the U.S. abstaining on two preambular paragraphs. No vote was taken on the text as a whole.)] [*]SC Resolution 1073 (1996) of 28 September 1996 [Adopted at 3698th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] [*]SC Resolution 1322 (2000) of 7 October 2000 Adopted at 4205th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] [*]Resolution 1397 (2002) of 12 March 2002 [Adopted at ?th meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was the Syrian Arab Republic)] [*]Resolution 1402 (2002) of 30 March 2002 [Adopted at 4503 rd meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was the Syrian Arab Republic)] [*]Resolution 1403 (2002) of 4 April 2002 [Adopted at 4506 th meeting-unanimously] [*]Resolution 1405 (2002) of 19 April 2002 [Adopted at 4516th meeting-unanimously]

This list only includes the resolutions that actually got through, keeping in mind the amount of US vetoing that goes on...

That's 16 to 84, Israel actually has proven WMD's, including nuclear ones, but we never see American troops dying to invade there...

It's funny how American's never complain about UN failure to enforce resolutions when it suits their political goals. It reflects the conservative view of the world, one in which International Institutions exist to further the interests of America (IMF, World Bank etc), become no longer useful when not corresponding to these perceived 'interests' (eg. UN) and where aid becomes a tool to be used to buy political consensus on the international stage. It's simply sickening.

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