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Old 03-03-2004, 10:46 AM   #1
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Total Votes needed to win nomination: 2162
Kerry: 562
Edwards: 204
Dean: 91
Kucinish: 2
Sharpton: 13
Clark: 63

Undetermined Votes: 3387

Yet we treat the race as if it's over. Edwards, why'd you leave? [img]graemlins/crying.gif[/img] It's like watching a team quit playing at the end of the 1st quarter saying "the game's over."
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Old 03-03-2004, 10:54 AM   #2
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who is this intriguing Kucinish character?
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Old 03-03-2004, 11:18 AM   #3
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Politics is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The conclusion made by the public, the media, and even the candidate is that "losing" in one state means losing in the next, when primaries are independent events.
It really does look bad, though, when someone quits before the real finish has been reached. One little setback, or even a couple of setbacks, and they quit? How would they react were they President and they are having a struggle with Congress or some foreign dignitary? Quit at the first sign of trouble? Politics is nothing but trouble!

Suppose Kerry wins the nomination. Does Edwards deserve a Vice-Presidential nod because he dropped out so early or should Kerry choose someone with more political stamina?
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Old 03-03-2004, 11:30 AM   #4
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Well, when the press is against you (meaning: predicting your demise), what can you do? I don't hold it against him for leaving because every additional day on the campaign trail is more money spent. And, with the outlook being what it is, his campaign contributions were quickly drying up. He can only use his own money to do so much.

I don't blame Edwards, but rather all of us -- the people quoted by NY Times who voted for long-face simply because they thought he'd win anyway. If that's the case, then why hike yourself over to the frikkin poll? -- just to rubber stamp a done deal?

As Edwards said, it's almost a self-fullfilling prophecy. Kerry wins because Kerry wins. Tautalogical.
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Old 03-03-2004, 11:35 AM   #5
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Your totals are little out of date TL:





































As of 3/1 Gained 3/2 New Total
Clark 70 17 87
Dean 173 9 182
Edwards 205 233 438
Kerry 701 591 1292
Others 37 17 54


Things look pretty bleak for Edwards. I personally think he did the right thing ending his run and letting Kerry focus on Bush.

edit: stupid board software removed my spaces

[ 03-03-2004, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Rokenn ]
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Old 03-03-2004, 03:50 PM   #6
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Still going to have a hell of a time beating Bush. It would be funny as hell if I could get 30% of the nation's voters to vote for a Libertarian president. That would scare the piss out of the bipartisans. It would be the first time that under our system a president came from one of the third parties. I'm thinking a grassroots campaign and massive press will do the job. The right combination, plus the adverts and the push, and people would do it. If voter turnout was at 90% in the next election, and no Republican or Democrat won, that would be so excellent.
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Old 03-03-2004, 04:01 PM   #7
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Don't be surprised if this election is a horse race. Unless of course there is an October surprise! Like the delayed announcement of the capture of Bin Laden.

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Old 03-03-2004, 04:03 PM   #8
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Still going to have a hell of a time beating Bush. It would be funny as hell if I could get 30% of the nation's voters to vote for a Libertarian president. That would scare the piss out of the bipartisans. It would be the first time that under our system a president came from one of the third parties. I'm thinking a grassroots campaign and massive press will do the job. The right combination, plus the adverts and the push, and people would do it. If voter turnout was at 90% in the next election, and no Republican or Democrat won, that would be so excellent.
I nominate Bernard Sanders (I) Congressman of Vermont. Be perfect for the job!


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Old 03-03-2004, 04:28 PM   #9
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Bernie was the commencement speaker at my law school graduation. He made my parents from KY quick believers in his politics.

Thanks for the updated totals, Rokenn.
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Old 03-03-2004, 04:40 PM   #10
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I wouldn't be surprised if they had him in a 6X6 since 11/01...
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