Randy Smith Leaves ION Storm & Thief III

[Megabot]

This dont look so good dammit...hope the Thief III Deadly Shadows still will be a great game...
Anyway look here: http://66.193.119.177/index.php?showtopic=209337&st=0

[ 04-08-2004, 02:42 AM: Message edited by: Megabot ]

[Ziroc]

Originally posted by Megabot: This dont look so good dammit...hope the Thief III Deadly Shadows still will be a great game... Anyway look here: http://66.193.119.177/index.php?showtopic=209337&st=0

Just finished reading hundreds of posts and came to post this myself,

Yeah, I KNEW they would screw this sequel up. ION STORM WILL DESTROY the memory of the Thief series, just as Stormfront ruined Pool of Radiance. And it all comes down to Suits at the Publisher, Edios. They want to push the game out the door NOW, and he didn't want to yet, so they 'removed him' from Lead.

I will still wait and see, but I promise all of you, I am deadly serious here-- if the game IS bad, I will be posting a MULTIPAGE news article on "Whats wrong with Gaming". I have been thinking of writing something like this since Pools of Radiance '2' came out, and how these companies SHOVEL their shit out the door, as a beta or even an ALPHA as Temple of Elemental evil was, and dumbing down games for the 'console crowd'. Look, dumb them down if you want, for the console, but damn it, PC gamers want a game with depth, story and not some simple game we can beat in a few hours.... ugh. I could go on.

You guys need to read all the other stuff on this story, on other Forums:

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthrea...0&pagenumber=3

http://www.avault.com/news/displayne...=422004-144750

(good one)
http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/boa...threadid=48087

Needless to say, people are PISSED. I am pissed. There is some VERY heated language in these threads, so be warned. As a true Thief fan, I am (as they are) Extremely 'protective' of the Thief name and game lore. It still has a HUGE cult following, and if TTLG's site didn't exist, I would have made one. But since TTLG IS the best, I don't need to [img]smile.gif[/img] .

[ 04-09-2004, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]

[Xen]

ARGHJ!


Death to them all! How can they dare do this to us? Why?

I don`t get it. Why are they pushing it? If they game goes out NOW it will probably be loaded with bugs. Can`t they give`em peace to work in? [img]graemlins/madhell.gif[/img]


I am also pissed off.

[Ziroc]

Randy posted his reason (kinda) for leaving. (Remember, he could be under a NDA not to talk 'bad' about the game -- even if it's full of bugs or a design flaw is in there).

The #1 sign a developer KNOWS a game is going to suck bad, will:

1. NOT release a demo
2. NOT send out Gold copies to be reviewed UNTIL it's been in stores for two weeks.

I've been sent games to review in the past that said on the CD "REVIEWS CANNOT BE POSTED UNTIL XXXX". Sick isn't it? And THAT is the Publisher talking.

[vesselle]

hey, ya guys forgot about Harvey Smith! another addition to the list of those "nudged" out the door.

and just a reminder... i'm not standing up for Eidos or anything, but there was basically only ONE requirement that Eidos gave ISA for the game. and that was they HAD to name the date for publishing and stick to it... no extensions allowed. otherwise, Eidos just let them go crazy. so, i'm not even sure why WS felt that he had to make the design choices he did... i mean he basically had NO restrictions for this game!

WS just plain worries me. from his snide comment that he wasn't making a game for "MIT grads" (referring to pc gamers) and that other stupid remark about "pc gamers need to go out and get an XBOX for crying out loud! they're cheaper'n a video card!"

sorry, i'm getting a bit upset thinking of all the ways WS has been letting down the thief community and the thief legacy. there's plans for several more "trilogies", which i see more or less as "short console chapters" churned out every year just to milk the thief legacy. all ya gotta do is take a look at the Tomb Raider games to see how it could go. oh yeah, and like TR, Eidos seems to have plans for a Thief movie, too. sounds like they're banking on the franchise to be a moneymaker for them.

ack! i didn't mean to go ballistic. sorry. like everyone else, i have concerns. altho there are things i've heard that i like a lot. i like the climbing gloves. third person doesn't bother me, because i don't use it. *blushes* well, except maybe to check out garrett once in awhile. y'know? see how cool he looks hiding and waiting for the right moment. [img]smile.gif[/img] i love the idea of being able to wander around in The City, allying yerself with different factions which have repercussions on the main missions thru out the game... but all of that is nothing if the core game itself is twisted out of any semblance of recognition.

V***V