Alignment thoughts

ElfBane · 12-10-2004, 09:20 AM

(getting on my soapbox)
I think *thief* characters should not be higher than chaotic good, if even that. What does IW land think about this?

Andyr · 12-10-2004, 10:32 AM

Higher being which direction?

RoSs_bg2_rox · 12-10-2004, 10:39 AM

I'm presuming Lawful Good etc.

ElfBane · 12-10-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Andyr:
Higher being which direction?

I had the feeling......SOMEONE would make that comment. So, for all you evil folks, LG,NG and CG is behavior that perpetuates the race and give us the divine spark. It makes us better than animals,,,"Thou Shalt Have Dominion Over The Animals".......except, of course, the cats!
Anyway, thief behavior, in general, is antisocial, so I don't think any variety of thief should be able to be of Good alignment(maybe CG).

ZFR · 12-10-2004, 03:47 PM

what about lawful neutral thieves?

Anyway, in sed they were nicely called rogues not thiefes. and in their descriptions it was that they can be assassins, diplomats, scouts....

a LG "thief" is okay. He could learn the ability to open locks to help him in dungeons, whre he fights evil. Skills themselves are not good or evil, it depends how you use them.

Similarly killing is generally "evil". Does it mean all fighters who kill should be evil?

[ 12-10-2004, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: ZFR ]

Iron Greasel · 12-11-2004, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by ElfBane:

quote:
Originally posted by Andyr:
Higher being which direction?

I had the feeling......SOMEONE would make that comment. So, for all you evil folks, LG,NG and CG is behavior that perpetuates the race and give us the divine spark. It makes us better than animals,,,"Thou Shalt Have Dominion Over The Animals".......except, of course, the cats![/QUOTE]Well, how about LN, TN, LE, NE and CE? CN is the only alingment I have seen in anything that hasn't lived with humans for years.

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Anyway, thief behavior, in general, is antisocial, so I don't think any variety of thief should be able to be of Good alignment(maybe CG).

Well, um, Robin Hood? Aladdin? Imoen? Locke? Zidane? There you have some good-alinged thieves.

Andyr · 12-11-2004, 09:53 AM

I don't think thieves should be restricted from any alignments.

Illumina Drathiran'ar · 12-11-2004, 02:38 PM

Hm... You raise interesting questions. The answers are also interesting. I don't think there should be alignment restrictions... There are people out there who might not roleplay those alignments, but then you take characters mentioned above (Immy and Robin Hood are very good examples, and I wouldn't have thought of Locke, nice one) and see well-played good-aligned thieves. What I *don't* approve of are people who claim their backstabbing, shoplifting, pick-pocketing thieves are Neutral Good. NG characters probably wouldn't think the ends justify the means.

SixOfSpades · 12-11-2004, 03:53 PM

I, personally, would bar Thieves from all Lawful alignments, for obvious reasons. Thieves are by nature inclined against the law. They can still be Neutral on the Law/Chaos axis, however, if they strictly adhere to the policies of their organization. Renal Bloodscalp, for example, is Neutral Evil not only because he's out for all her can get, but also because he's fiercely loyal to an Evil group, the Shadow Thieves.

The Good/Evil axis is determined by who you prefer to Backstab / steal from.

[CAVEAT:] I have designed a recruitable NPC Thief who is Lawful Good, however. He's a Bounty Hunter who works for the Amnish law enforcement community, and aids in apprehending criminals. He knows Keldorn rather well, having been on missions with him before. His equipment includes a nonremovable Amulet that keeps his Pick Pockets score stuck at 0%, permanently.

[ 12-11-2004, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: SixOfSpades ]

12-10-2004, 09:20 AM	#1
ElfBane Mephistopheles Join Date: March 21, 2004 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Age: 70 Posts: 1,447	(getting on my soapbox) I think thief characters should not be higher than chaotic good, if even that. What does IW land think about this? __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. Iraq and Afghan fatalities: 6,855 and counting. Silence IS consent.

12-10-2004, 10:32 AM	#2
Andyr Manshoon Join Date: September 29, 2004 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 41 Posts: 153	Higher being which direction? __________________ [url]\"http://www.gibberlings3.net/\" target=\"_blank\">\"We are the Gibberlings Three, as merry a band as you ever did see...\"</a> - G3: Home of IE mods<br /><br />[url]\"http://forums.gibberlings3.net\" target=\"_blank\">Forums</a><br /><br /><i>JCompton:</i> Suggested plugs include \"Click here so Compton doesn\'t ban me. [url]\"http://www.pocketplane.net/ub\" target=\"_blank\">http://www.pocketplane.net/ub</a> \"

12-10-2004, 10:39 AM	#3
RoSs_bg2_rox Zartan Join Date: May 20, 2003 Location: Near Aberdeen, Scotland Age: 36 Posts: 5,225	I'm presuming Lawful Good etc. __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/ladyzekke/dragonwater2.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

12-10-2004, 03:47 PM	#5
ZFR Legion Symbol Join Date: February 14, 2002 Location: Ireland Age: 40 Posts: 7,368	what about lawful neutral thieves? Anyway, in sed they were nicely called rogues not thiefes. and in their descriptions it was that they can be assassins, diplomats, scouts.... a LG "thief" is okay. He could learn the ability to open locks to help him in dungeons, whre he fights evil. Skills themselves are not good or evil, it depends how you use them. Similarly killing is generally "evil". Does it mean all fighters who kill should be evil? [ 12-10-2004, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: ZFR ] __________________ ZFR

12-11-2004, 09:53 AM	#7
Andyr Manshoon Join Date: September 29, 2004 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 41 Posts: 153	I don't think thieves should be restricted from any alignments. __________________ [url]\"http://www.gibberlings3.net/\" target=\"_blank\">\"We are the Gibberlings Three, as merry a band as you ever did see...\"</a> - G3: Home of IE mods<br /><br />[url]\"http://forums.gibberlings3.net\" target=\"_blank\">Forums</a><br /><br /><i>JCompton:</i> Suggested plugs include \"Click here so Compton doesn\'t ban me. [url]\"http://www.pocketplane.net/ub\" target=\"_blank\">http://www.pocketplane.net/ub</a> \"

12-11-2004, 02:38 PM	#8
Illumina Drathiran'ar Apophis Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: I can see the Manhattan skyline from my window. Age: 39 Posts: 4,673	Hm... You raise interesting questions. The answers are also interesting. I don't think there should be alignment restrictions... There are people out there who might not roleplay those alignments, but then you take characters mentioned above (Immy and Robin Hood are very good examples, and I wouldn't have thought of Locke, nice one) and see well-played good-aligned thieves. What I don't approve of are people who claim their backstabbing, shoplifting, pick-pocketing thieves are Neutral Good. NG characters probably wouldn't think the ends justify the means. __________________ http://cavestory.org PLAY THIS GAME. Seriously. http://xkcd.com/386/ http://www.xkcd.com/406/ My heart is like my coffee. Black, bitter, icy, and with a straw.

12-11-2004, 03:53 PM	#9
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	I, personally, would bar Thieves from all Lawful alignments, for obvious reasons. Thieves are by nature inclined against the law. They can still be Neutral on the Law/Chaos axis, however, if they strictly adhere to the policies of their organization. Renal Bloodscalp, for example, is Neutral Evil not only because he's out for all her can get, but also because he's fiercely loyal to an Evil group, the Shadow Thieves. The Good/Evil axis is determined by who you prefer to Backstab / steal from. [CAVEAT:] I have designed a recruitable NPC Thief who is Lawful Good, however. He's a Bounty Hunter who works for the Amnish law enforcement community, and aids in apprehending criminals. He knows Keldorn rather well, having been on missions with him before. His equipment includes a nonremovable Amulet that keeps his Pick Pockets score stuck at 0%, permanently. [ 12-11-2004, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: SixOfSpades ] __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

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