SoU bard, Rogue, AA

Nightwing · 01-23-2006, 08:21 AM

Having some fun with this combo but will it work in the end? I'm now 4bard, 4Rogue and 1 AA. I was planning on getting the Rogue and Bard to level 6 for the level 6 bennefits but then what Rogue the rest of the way. I'm thinking about moving this character into the next modual so I should get about 30 levels or so out of him. 10 levels of AA.

Zink Whistlefly · 01-23-2006, 12:35 PM

Sounds like a nice build. It will be strong on buffs, very strong on damage (since the sneak attack will work with the bow, and this damage bonus will cumulative with the AA damage bonuses [img]smile.gif[/img] ) but quite weak on HP and AC so you will need to get used to deploying hit and run tactics - although the Rogue's stealth ability matches with the grace of the AA quite nicely.

I think robertthebard here tried an AA/Cleric/Bard which had some truly great buffs. Yours will have less impressive buffs but the potential to be more damaging through the Rogue's sneak attack ability.

BTW if you're playing SoU -> HoTU with the same character, expect to finish at about level 28 tops, but that's still enough to get a good 10 levels of AA (although you should consider taking this even higher if you can, since the AA is one of the few priestege classes that continue to grow in power significantly in the form of regular attack and damage bonuses past level 10). You might like to consider an AA(10)/Bard(10)/Rogue(8) build which will give you a good balance of rogue abilities, spell casting (up to level 4), buffing (via bard song) and great ranged attacking ability. If you wanted to push for some more powerful spell casting at the expense of some ranged attack power and/or some rogue abilities, you could take 16 levels of bard in order to gain level 6 spells and a stronger bardic song. It's entirely up to you how you balance the classes.

Variol (Farseer) Elmwood · 01-23-2006, 12:50 PM

Ok guys, how about catering to some of us newbies and not using abriviations. What's AA?

ZFR · 01-23-2006, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Variol (Farseer) Elmwood:
Ok guys, how about catering to some of us newbies and not using abriviations. What's AA?

Arcane Archer

robertthebard · 01-23-2006, 01:40 PM

Arcane Archer.

The bard/cleric/AA was ok, but no epic spells for the cleric, while keeping the classes close enough together to overcome the xp penalties. Bard/AA/Rogue can be quite effective, actually, and will not suffer that greatly at ac, if you use robes/clothing type armor, with no dex bonus limits. For an archer of any type, mundane or arcane, you will need a high dex anyway. Be sure to put a lot of points into perform during the bard lvls, and take every stat point you can in dex. Your attack bonuses, and dex will improve dramatically in the later lvls, and you may want to invest in the curse song as well. For me, I'd go 7 lvls bard, with perform maxed, as well as spell craft, maybe 8 lvls of rogue, and all the rest in AA. Don't take all the class lvls together at one time, you need to get a feel for when feats are coming, especially after you reach lvl 20. You should be able to get a dex of around 27 or so, w/out bonuses, and get as much bonus to dex as you can.

Cloudbringer · 01-25-2006, 01:38 PM

I ran a ranger/wiz/aa through SoU and am currently fighting the end battle in HoTU with her(still haven't got the big guy down!). I can't recall her exact levels, but I think she's past 10 in the AA. VERY impressive stuff that prestige class! Think I started taking some more Wizard and ranger levels after making level 10 in the AA.

[ 01-25-2006, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

Nightwing · 01-25-2006, 02:05 PM

Does anyone know if the +1,+2 ect. bonus stacks with other arrows. Like ice or piercing arrows? I think I lost deekin also, like he was disintegrated at the battle in the temple to get water. Does he reapear? I'm at the crypt tower now.

Cloudbringer · 01-27-2006, 12:24 PM

I think that + only works with regular arrows.

Uh.. if he vanished in a puff with no body...not sure you can get him back. If he just died normally, you should find him at the recall spot.

Nightwing · 01-27-2006, 12:52 PM

No he vanished completely, I'm sure that should't effect Hordes if he is in there.

robertthebard · 01-27-2006, 02:34 PM

He is.

01-23-2006, 08:21 AM	#1
Nightwing Baaz Draconian Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: Neb. Age: 60 Posts: 725	Having some fun with this combo but will it work in the end? I'm now 4bard, 4Rogue and 1 AA. I was planning on getting the Rogue and Bard to level 6 for the level 6 bennefits but then what Rogue the rest of the way. I'm thinking about moving this character into the next modual so I should get about 30 levels or so out of him. 10 levels of AA. __________________ HoHo What!

01-23-2006, 12:50 PM	#3
Variol (Farseer) Elmwood Jack Burton Join Date: May 16, 2003 Location: Dartmouth, NS Canada Age: 59 Posts: 5,634	Ok guys, how about catering to some of us newbies and not using abriviations. What's AA? __________________ A MAN WHO WANTS FOR NOTHING HAS INFINITE WEALTH. (me)

01-23-2006, 01:40 PM	#5
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 62 Posts: 4,537	Arcane Archer. The bard/cleric/AA was ok, but no epic spells for the cleric, while keeping the classes close enough together to overcome the xp penalties. Bard/AA/Rogue can be quite effective, actually, and will not suffer that greatly at ac, if you use robes/clothing type armor, with no dex bonus limits. For an archer of any type, mundane or arcane, you will need a high dex anyway. Be sure to put a lot of points into perform during the bard lvls, and take every stat point you can in dex. Your attack bonuses, and dex will improve dramatically in the later lvls, and you may want to invest in the curse song as well. For me, I'd go 7 lvls bard, with perform maxed, as well as spell craft, maybe 8 lvls of rogue, and all the rest in AA. Don't take all the class lvls together at one time, you need to get a feel for when feats are coming, especially after you reach lvl 20. You should be able to get a dex of around 27 or so, w/out bonuses, and get as much bonus to dex as you can. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

01-25-2006, 01:38 PM	#6
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	I ran a ranger/wiz/aa through SoU and am currently fighting the end battle in HoTU with her(still haven't got the big guy down!). I can't recall her exact levels, but I think she's past 10 in the AA. VERY impressive stuff that prestige class! Think I started taking some more Wizard and ranger levels after making level 10 in the AA. [ 01-25-2006, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ] __________________ "Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace)

01-25-2006, 02:05 PM	#7
Nightwing Baaz Draconian Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: Neb. Age: 60 Posts: 725	Does anyone know if the +1,+2 ect. bonus stacks with other arrows. Like ice or piercing arrows? I think I lost deekin also, like he was disintegrated at the battle in the temple to get water. Does he reapear? I'm at the crypt tower now. __________________ HoHo What!

01-23-2006, 12:35 PM	#2
Zink Whistlefly Avatar Join Date: March 20, 2005 Location: North Yorkshire, England Age: 45 Posts: 520	Sounds like a nice build. It will be strong on buffs, very strong on damage (since the sneak attack will work with the bow, and this damage bonus will cumulative with the AA damage bonuses [img]smile.gif[/img] ) but quite weak on HP and AC so you will need to get used to deploying hit and run tactics - although the Rogue's stealth ability matches with the grace of the AA quite nicely. I think robertthebard here tried an AA/Cleric/Bard which had some truly great buffs. Yours will have less impressive buffs but the potential to be more damaging through the Rogue's sneak attack ability. BTW if you're playing SoU -> HoTU with the same character, expect to finish at about level 28 tops, but that's still enough to get a good 10 levels of AA (although you should consider taking this even higher if you can, since the AA is one of the few priestege classes that continue to grow in power significantly in the form of regular attack and damage bonuses past level 10). You might like to consider an AA(10)/Bard(10)/Rogue(8) build which will give you a good balance of rogue abilities, spell casting (up to level 4), buffing (via bard song) and great ranged attacking ability. If you wanted to push for some more powerful spell casting at the expense of some ranged attack power and/or some rogue abilities, you could take 16 levels of bard in order to gain level 6 spells and a stronger bardic song. It's entirely up to you how you balance the classes.

01-27-2006, 12:24 PM	#8
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	I think that + only works with regular arrows. Uh.. if he vanished in a puff with no body...not sure you can get him back. If he just died normally, you should find him at the recall spot. __________________ "Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace)

01-27-2006, 12:52 PM	#9
Nightwing Baaz Draconian Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: Neb. Age: 60 Posts: 725	No he vanished completely, I'm sure that should't effect Hordes if he is in there. __________________ HoHo What!

01-27-2006, 02:34 PM	#10
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 62 Posts: 4,537	He is. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

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