improved knockdown

cloud88 · 09-26-2003, 08:44 PM

to get improved knockdown i need 13int is it possible to use an item to get it to 13 and chose improved knockdown anyway and if that is possible,do i need to have 13int to use it?

Nerull · 09-26-2003, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cloud88:
to get improved knockdown i need 13int is it possible to use an item to get it to 13 and chose improved knockdown anyway and if that is possible,do i need to have 13int to use it?

No, it needs to be a natural 13 Int.

ScottG · 09-26-2003, 11:10 PM

no, feats relying on attribute scores must be met unless it is offered via a class (i.e. Ranger's two weapon fighting feats or Monks Stunning Fist or Knockdown).

BTW, Knockdown is over-rated (monsters in NWN's are uber-powerfull with it but your character won't be, this problem was fixed in SOU for SOU only - presumably it will be fixed for other modules as well).

robertthebard · 09-26-2003, 11:26 PM

I used knockdown, and improved knockdown a lot in NWN, and well. It's important to remember that a halfling can't knock down a dragon, but could get maybe a hill giant, as creature size is a variable. therefore, a dragon can knock you down a lot.

Luvian · 09-27-2003, 07:02 AM

Mages and even priests are easy to knock down, so it's a good way for a warrior to prevent them from casting.

cloud88 · 09-27-2003, 09:05 AM

im going to buy SoU and im playing a Dwarf so is Improved Knockdown worth it
and if it is,what stats should i lower to aford 13int i have 8 originaly

/sorry about bad speling

Nerull · 09-27-2003, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cloud88:
im going to buy SoU and im playing a Dwarf so is Improved Knockdown worth it
and if it is,what stats should i lower to aford 13int i have 8 originaly

/sorry about bad speling

Lower wisdom or charisma (though you are at a disadvantage with charisma with a dwarf anyway).

SpiritWarrior · 09-27-2003, 12:22 PM

Most creatures have a low Discipline skill so knockdown can be a great feat to have especially if you use it repeatedly against casters, disabling their spellcasting opportunities.

ScottG · 09-27-2003, 06:56 PM

Sure - humanoid spellcasters can be disrupted from casting with a succesfull knockdown. However in the same time it takes to achieve a knockdown you can usually kill that spellcaster simply by hiting it repeatedly (and if you have a high number of attacks you will usually disrupt their spells b4 they ever cast a single spell). (Spellcasters typically run low on hitpoints, the ones that are easy to kill quickly, and the ones that don't usually are either immune to knockdown or are practically immune to knockdown.)

If your fighting melee style the key to just about all encounters is: hit hard (high damage), hit a lot (many attacks), always make contact (high hit probability).

Luvian · 09-27-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by ScottG:
Sure - humanoid spellcasters can be disrupted from casting with a succesfull knockdown. However in the same time it takes to achieve a knockdown you can usually kill that spellcaster simply by hiting it repeatedly (and if you have a high number of attacks you will usually disrupt their spells b4 they ever cast a single spell). (Spellcasters typically run low on hitpoints, the ones that are easy to kill quickly, and the ones that don't usually are either immune to knockdown or are practically immune to knockdown.)

If your fighting melee style the key to just about all encounters is: hit hard (high damage), hit a lot (many attacks), always make contact (high hit probability).

Knockdown work even if the guy has Stone Skin or other protection spells on.

09-26-2003, 08:44 PM	#1
cloud88 Manshoon Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: sundsvall,sweden Age: 36 Posts: 171	to get improved knockdown i need 13int is it possible to use an item to get it to 13 and chose improved knockdown anyway and if that is possible,do i need to have 13int to use it? __________________ Some little angel tries to tell me that it\'s over,<br />It\'s just a bad reflection from above.<br />The load upon my shoulder makes me stronger, even bolder,<br />Oh no no, I haven\'t had enough.<br />-Heaven can wait, another fine reason to live.

09-26-2003, 11:26 PM	#4
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 61 Posts: 4,537	I used knockdown, and improved knockdown a lot in NWN, and well. It's important to remember that a halfling can't knock down a dragon, but could get maybe a hill giant, as creature size is a variable. therefore, a dragon can knock you down a lot. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

09-27-2003, 07:02 AM	#5
Luvian Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 27, 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Age: 44 Posts: 6,763	Mages and even priests are easy to knock down, so it's a good way for a warrior to prevent them from casting. __________________ Once upon a time in Canada...

09-27-2003, 09:05 AM	#6
cloud88 Manshoon Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: sundsvall,sweden Age: 36 Posts: 171	im going to buy SoU and im playing a Dwarf so is Improved Knockdown worth it and if it is,what stats should i lower to aford 13int i have 8 originaly /sorry about bad speling __________________ Some little angel tries to tell me that it\'s over,<br />It\'s just a bad reflection from above.<br />The load upon my shoulder makes me stronger, even bolder,<br />Oh no no, I haven\'t had enough.<br />-Heaven can wait, another fine reason to live.

09-27-2003, 12:22 PM	#8
SpiritWarrior Jack Burton Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,854	Most creatures have a low Discipline skill so knockdown can be a great feat to have especially if you use it repeatedly against casters, disabling their spellcasting opportunities. __________________ Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon...

09-26-2003, 11:10 PM	#3
ScottG Drow Warrior Join Date: June 13, 2003 Location: Never Never Land Age: 55 Posts: 267	no, feats relying on attribute scores must be met unless it is offered via a class (i.e. Ranger's two weapon fighting feats or Monks Stunning Fist or Knockdown). BTW, Knockdown is over-rated (monsters in NWN's are uber-powerfull with it but your character won't be, this problem was fixed in SOU for SOU only - presumably it will be fixed for other modules as well).

09-27-2003, 06:56 PM	#9
ScottG Drow Warrior Join Date: June 13, 2003 Location: Never Never Land Age: 55 Posts: 267	Sure - humanoid spellcasters can be disrupted from casting with a succesfull knockdown. However in the same time it takes to achieve a knockdown you can usually kill that spellcaster simply by hiting it repeatedly (and if you have a high number of attacks you will usually disrupt their spells b4 they ever cast a single spell). (Spellcasters typically run low on hitpoints, the ones that are easy to kill quickly, and the ones that don't usually are either immune to knockdown or are practically immune to knockdown.) If your fighting melee style the key to just about all encounters is: hit hard (high damage), hit a lot (many attacks), always make contact (high hit probability).

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