Jon Icarus

ezekill · 01-25-2003, 04:25 AM

Remember back to bg1, remember the fat spider chick in the spider colony in cloakwood forest, you ask her how she got that way and she says that her former love "Jon Icarus" turned her that way with magic, is this Jon Irenicus from BG2, did the black isle people intend to call the big bad guy in their next game Jon Icarus, and then change it? just a thought

Gandalf the White · 01-25-2003, 04:34 AM

Hmmmmmmm... i think that the black isle people did it couz the knew they where gonna make BG2. Jon Irenicus is a strong mage so......
i think they knew it

ezekill · 01-25-2003, 04:43 AM

i wonder why they changed, having already put Jon Icarus in one of their games?

pcgiant · 01-25-2003, 05:54 AM

Similar names, but I don't think they are the same characters. IIRC, she said something about him loving her(?) and I think that's not very Irenicus-like.

Vedran · 01-25-2003, 06:46 AM

However, it is Joneleth-like, but he loved Ellesime, and he lived in Suldanesselar, which is rather far.
I don't think it is him, either.

Baros · 01-25-2003, 09:26 AM

I seem to recall that it was meant to be the same person and that the name was changed deliberately (although I can't remember why - maybe Icarus is a name that is too well known). Given Jonny's annoying habit of abduction and experimentation anything is possible. I see the problem with love, but I think thats a matter of interpretation. Reilev was Jon's... what? What about the other experiments - they were subservient, but respectful of Jon. The only one of his creations that turned against him was Ellesime's clone.

The reuse of names is nothing new - Sendai of Amn, anyone?

Raistlin Majere · 01-25-2003, 09:32 AM

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The reuse of names is nothing new - Sendai of Amn, anyone?

I played through ToB before finding her. I then spent a few minutes trying to make her into drow, with little sucsess.

Just a pointer, this Jon Icarus turned her that way via magic. Were it really Jonny boy, i think he would be quite capable of doing that. However, i dont think is Irenicus either.

Obsidian the Black · 01-25-2003, 12:17 PM

Does anyone else think the Irenicus has a cool voice?

Grojlach · 01-25-2003, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Obsidian the Black:
Does anyone else think the Irenicus has a cool voice?

Absolutely! One of the few really decent voices in BG2, to be honest. [img]smile.gif[/img]
The voice actor is David Warner, btw. A list of all of his film/game/tv series-work can be found here. He also played a few times in Star Trek: TNG and Thomas Eckhardt in Twin Peaks. Especially the last one came as a pleasant surprise to me... I never saw Twin Peaks until last year, and I recognized the voice from miles away. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 01-25-2003, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

Luvian · 01-25-2003, 12:36 PM

Obsidian the Black, your sig is too big. You can only have one of those image at a time.

01-25-2003, 04:25 AM	#1
ezekill Dungeon Master Join Date: July 7, 2002 Location: New Zealand (ends of the earth) Age: 38 Posts: 51	Remember back to bg1, remember the fat spider chick in the spider colony in cloakwood forest, you ask her how she got that way and she says that her former love "Jon Icarus" turned her that way with magic, is this Jon Irenicus from BG2, did the black isle people intend to call the big bad guy in their next game Jon Icarus, and then change it? just a thought __________________ Wea5el 5ide<br />Dont fly those stripes those stars and stripes for me, they stand for greed they stand for hate, but nothing I believe, dont fly those stars and stripes for me, the word America means freedom as in, Free to kill the Free. <br /> - Anti-Flag

01-25-2003, 04:34 AM	#2
Gandalf the White Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Gondor Age: 37 Posts: 29	Hmmmmmmm... i think that the black isle people did it couz the knew they where gonna make BG2. Jon Irenicus is a strong mage so...... i think they knew it __________________ Dont take me for a conjurer of cheap tricks <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[wizardtrouble]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/wizardtrouble.gif\" />

01-25-2003, 04:43 AM	#3
ezekill Dungeon Master Join Date: July 7, 2002 Location: New Zealand (ends of the earth) Age: 38 Posts: 51	i wonder why they changed, having already put Jon Icarus in one of their games? __________________ Wea5el 5ide<br />Dont fly those stripes those stars and stripes for me, they stand for greed they stand for hate, but nothing I believe, dont fly those stars and stripes for me, the word America means freedom as in, Free to kill the Free. <br /> - Anti-Flag

01-25-2003, 05:54 AM	#4
pcgiant Symbol of Cyric Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: NZ Age: 38 Posts: 1,268	Similar names, but I don't think they are the same characters. IIRC, she said something about him loving her(?) and I think that's not very Irenicus-like. __________________ If possible, I want to relive my life... not as a devil. This time, someone like you.

01-25-2003, 06:46 AM	#5
Vedran Lord Soth Join Date: July 28, 2002 Location: Sisak, Croatia Age: 40 Posts: 1,930	However, it is Joneleth-like, but he loved Ellesime, and he lived in Suldanesselar, which is rather far. I don't think it is him, either. __________________ Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, adhuc dulcius pro patria vivere. (It is sweet and glorius to die for one's homeland, even sweeter to live for it) Horatio

01-25-2003, 09:26 AM	#6
Baros Manshoon Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: Leeds, UK Age: 50 Posts: 171	I seem to recall that it was meant to be the same person and that the name was changed deliberately (although I can't remember why - maybe Icarus is a name that is too well known). Given Jonny's annoying habit of abduction and experimentation anything is possible. I see the problem with love, but I think thats a matter of interpretation. Reilev was Jon's... what? What about the other experiments - they were subservient, but respectful of Jon. The only one of his creations that turned against him was Ellesime's clone. The reuse of names is nothing new - Sendai of Amn, anyone?

01-25-2003, 12:17 PM	#8
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01-25-2003, 12:36 PM	#10
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