Wizards are too powerful...

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Not complaining just pointing... they are soo powerful! Stoneskins, fireshields and away with teh spells!
Ofcourse u need fighters for general melee and clerics for healing and more fun..

[Xero279]

Ya, wizards can be the most powerful chars in the game if you play them right. I play a sorcerer and i wish i could learn more spells but i love him cuz hes so powerful lol. he works WONDERS with my party. i am manly a summoner and and DD (direct damage) spells.

[Bristowe]

Agreed...If you had an all warrior party in ToB, well, you'd have a worn mouse button from reloading all the time...
I actually never EVER played a mage class, not even multiclassed, IMO it just seems wrong~
I mean, it's always the courageous warrior VS the evil cunning wizard right? That's the way it's supposed to be

Originally posted by Bristowe: Agreed...If you had an all warrior party in ToB, well, you'd have a worn mouse button from reloading all the time... I actually never EVER played a mage class, not even multiclassed, IMO it just seems wrong~ I mean, it's always the courageous warrior VS the evil cunning wizard right? That's the way it's supposed to be

I tend to agree with you Bristowe. For some reason I always end up created a fighter based character. I guess I'll have to try the magic thing sometime, but standing back and watching, casting the occasional spell, while your NPCs do all the work seems a bit wrong to me also, even though I'm controlling all of them.

An all-warrior based party would be hard, but I really don't understand how anyone can solo a fighter through BG2. I mean, no Breach spells, means toasted fighter towards the end of the game!

Aviendha.

[andrewas]

soloing a pure fighter would be challenge, but a monk or barbarian is quite doable. In the monks case, 125% magic resistance means you can simply ignore the mages till their protections wear off. AS long as you can evad the imprisonments, somthing easy to accomplish is most instances.

[Helspanth]

Originally posted by Bristowe: I actually never EVER played a mage class, not even multiclassed, IMO it just seems wrong~ I mean, it's always the courageous warrior VS the evil cunning wizard right? That's the way it's supposed to be

I disagree.Fantasy has many "good" wizards too.
I think that wizards are usually portraited as master villians since they are far more powerfull than the fighters.As such it is more challenging for an adventure to have a wizard as a master villian than a fighter.

[uss]

Originally posted by Helspanth: quote: Originally posted by Bristowe: I actually never EVER played a mage class, not even multiclassed, IMO it just seems wrong~ I mean, it's always the courageous warrior VS the evil cunning wizard right? That's the way it's supposed to be

I disagree.Fantasy has many "good" wizards too.
I think that wizards are usually portraited as master villians since they are far more powerfull than the fighters.As such it is more challenging for an adventure to have a wizard as a master villian than a fighter.[/QUOTE]Good: Elminster.. Gandalf..
Evil: Sarevok.. Sauron(i think hes something like Fighter/Mage/Cleric)..

[Sir Exxon]

I agree that wizards can be really strong. I think that BG2 really powesr up the Wizards. Cause if you look at any other game, like Ps:T etc, the Fighter are always the strongest class. That's atleast opinion.
But then, it's just fun that wizards are as strong as they are if they are the protagonist... [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs]

AD&D is designed for high-level mages to be the most powerful characters. Between Time Stop, Spell Trap, Spell Trigger, Greater Contingency, and Dragon's Breath/Comet, and Summon Planetar, (D's B and Comet bypass magic resistance, by the way, as do all 10th level spells) the other classes can't come close. that is why solo sorcerers and mages are so ridiculously powerful. A full party of mages would be even better:
TN sorcerer, Imoen, Nalia, Aerie, Edwin, Jan! incredible! even if they all just cast Magic Missile at once it would kill just about everyone!

as a solo protagonist mage, (good) the immunity to +2 or less weapons from Hell, Prot. from Magical Weapons, and Spell Trap essentially makes you invincible for 4 rounds, in which you can kill all sorts of stuff, and then cast PfMW again. nobody can withstand 2 D's Bs, 2 comets, and 4 AD's HWs. for me, the only difficult fights in the whole game were Balthazar without resting beforehand, and the Twisted Rune.

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by uss: quote: Originally posted by Helspanth: quote: Originally posted by Bristowe: I actually never EVER played a mage class, not even multiclassed, IMO it just seems wrong~ I mean, it's always the courageous warrior VS the evil cunning wizard right? That's the way it's supposed to be

I disagree.Fantasy has many "good" wizards too.
I think that wizards are usually portraited as master villians since they are far more powerfull than the fighters.As such it is more challenging for an adventure to have a wizard as a master villian than a fighter.[/QUOTE]Good: Elminster.. Gandalf..
Evil: Sarevok.. Sauron(i think hes something like Fighter/Mage/Cleric)..[/QUOTE]Sarevok is a straight fighter, and Sauron is more accurately described as a demigod, not confined to d&d class system, the Cleric Quintet gives great examples of evil mages, Cadderly's own father, as well as an evil cleric for a villain, the "I Strahd" books work well too, as he is a mage as well as a vampire, not to mention the entire second book dealing with Azalin. Lord of the Necropolis tells of Azalin the Lich Lord of ravenloft, in the Dark Sun books the Sorceror Kings (and queens) are high level mages on their way to becoming dragons through sorcery that drains the life from everything around them, and there are many many more examples, not only in d&d, try watching some of the old Conan movies. etc etc...

and yes it is the fighter who looks more heroic, it is always more fun to watch the underdog battle against impossible odds (ie against a mage of high level) than to see a mage flick his fingers and send the evil fighter-king to the abyss with a fireball, or to turn the mighty dragon into a lawn ornament, there isn't high fantasy and earthshaking heroics involved, at least not as far as the common folk who create and tell the stories, and they lack romance for the bards as well which could be why the tales are less told, altho i'm sure they are done by mages just as often (albeit backed up by fighters to distract the beast).