Stalker or Fighter/Assassin? (I know, read the post)

Pyrenk · 07-29-2003, 11:36 PM

See topic. I want to use one of these for my next char. I'm considering Celery Fury or a less cheesy katana (or wakizashi/ninja-to...anything oriental) and the Dagger of the Star (ToB only).
-The Stalker is a decent choice because she already starts with ** in Dual Weild, can backstab, and gets the Moon Dog Figurine and somewhat useful spells later in the game.
-The Fighter/Assassin. I am SK'ing a pure fighter into an assassin at level 13. I realize that this is quite cheesy, so as a con, I'm taking 1 away from all of her stats once I regain my fighter abilities =) I should be able to get at least *** in Dual Weild and ** in my two choice weapons...most likely Katana/Long Sword and Dagger. She can also access the Improved Thief Stronghold, which I haven't tried yet.

Which one would you choose, and why?

Gangrell · 07-29-2003, 11:38 PM

Why not start out with a fighter/thief and pick Valgar up on the way.

Pyrenk · 07-29-2003, 11:42 PM

I was considering it, but I want to pick all of my proficiencies. I also have a nice ranger from BGI ready for importing, and her stats are better than Valley Girl's...I'll post them in a sec.

[ 07-30-2003, 08:07 AM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

Gangrell · 07-29-2003, 11:45 PM

Let me ask you this then, why use SK to do that change onto your fighter into an assassin? Just dual from an assassin into a fighter at level 13 and with enough quests under your belt, you should be able to breach 14th level, of course that depends on how many characters you take with you.

Ninj · 07-30-2003, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by Gangrell:
Let me ask you this then, why use SK to do that change onto your fighter into an assassin? Just dual from an assassin into a fighter at level 13 and with enough quests under your belt, you should be able to breach 14th level, of course that depends on how many characters you take with you.

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Because he wants the Thief HLA Use Any Item, which he can't get if he duals to a fighter at 13 level. [img]smile.gif[/img]

-Ninj

Pyrenk · 07-30-2003, 08:06 AM

$$$. Btw, the stats for my BG Ranger are:
Str-19
Dex-19
Con-17
Int-15
Wis-15
Cha-17

Powergaming, I know.

And Ninj is correct, I'm dualling into an Assassin to get UAI, silly =) Once I get to level 21, I get x7 backstab as well.

The traps are pretty nice too, although I only use them in dire circumstances. More than one, anyway.

[ 07-30-2003, 08:08 AM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

Assassin · 07-30-2003, 08:20 AM

Personally, I wouldn't bother with using SK, and just take a straight Assassin through the game. It's plenty powerful enough, and you really don't need that Fighter side. Plus, you don't have to wait that long time to get your abilities back. In Irenicus' dungeon, just backstab your way through. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

*edit* Gangrell, reread his post. Methinks that you misunderstood what he said.

[ 07-30-2003, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Assassin ]

Pyrenk · 07-30-2003, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by Assassin:
Personally, I wouldn't bother with using SK, and just take a straight Assassin through the game. It's plenty powerful enough, and you really don't need that Fighter side. Plus, you don't have to wait that long time to get your abilities back. In Irenicus' dungeon, just backstab your way through. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

*edit* Gangrell, reread his post. Methinks that you misunderstood what he said.

How ironic, Assassin telling me to use a pure assassin. What is the world coming to =Þ

I want to dual from a fighter because of the extra proficiencies, *** in dual weild, and the extra attack (or 1/2, don't remember) that I would have by 13th level. Is this a good idea?

Gangrell · 07-30-2003, 09:29 AM

Or you can just get an elven character and become a fighter/thief to make it less complicated. But as far as SK goes, dual from a fighter to a thief at level 13 then with so much experience you'll breach 14th level to get the benefits of both classes. Don't start out dualing a class at assassin at 1st level or SK will make experience rack up for both your classes IIRC.

Jim · 07-30-2003, 11:48 AM

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There's a simple solution. Extend Gangrell's idea further, and play as an assassin until say, level 22 (requires 3,150,000 XP), and then dual to a fighter, and carry on to a potential max fighter level of 27 (an additional 4,850,000 XP). This way, you get to choose 1 thief HLA (UAI obviously) and then go on to gain 5 warrior HLA's. You could play with the numbers a little, and dual slightly later as a thief, gaining more thief HLA's at the expense of the warrior HLA's (max thief dual in this case is level 24 thief (3,600,000 XP) to allow for a level 25 warrior (4,250,000 XP).

Basically, whatever late dual you choose, make sure you get at least 1 thief HLA. This also ensures that your character will be able to pack the full x7 backstab and let me tell you, a critical grandmastery septuple backstab is a devastating attack, potentially more powerful that than of a late kensai dualled to a thief.

This suggestion obviously assumes you have ToB installed, which I'm guessing you have since you say you want UAI, so you're obviously planning on playing through ToB too...

07-29-2003, 11:36 PM	#1
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 36 Posts: 1,156	See topic. I want to use one of these for my next char. I'm considering Celery Fury or a less cheesy katana (or wakizashi/ninja-to...anything oriental) and the Dagger of the Star (ToB only). -The Stalker is a decent choice because she already starts with in Dual Weild, can backstab, and gets the Moon Dog Figurine and somewhat useful spells later in the game. -The Fighter/Assassin. I am SK'ing a pure fighter into an assassin at level 13. I realize that this is quite cheesy, so as a con, I'm taking 1 away from all of her stats once I regain my fighter abilities =) I should be able to get at least * in Dual Weild and ** in my two choice weapons...most likely Katana/Long Sword and Dagger. She can also access the Improved Thief Stronghold, which I haven't tried yet. Which one would you choose, and why? __________________

07-29-2003, 11:42 PM	#3
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 36 Posts: 1,156	I was considering it, but I want to pick all of my proficiencies. I also have a nice ranger from BGI ready for importing, and her stats are better than Valley Girl's...I'll post them in a sec. [ 07-30-2003, 08:07 AM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ] __________________

07-30-2003, 08:06 AM	#6
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 36 Posts: 1,156	$$$. Btw, the stats for my BG Ranger are: Str-19 Dex-19 Con-17 Int-15 Wis-15 Cha-17 Powergaming, I know. And Ninj is correct, I'm dualling into an Assassin to get UAI, silly =) Once I get to level 21, I get x7 backstab as well. The traps are pretty nice too, although I only use them in dire circumstances. More than one, anyway. [ 07-30-2003, 08:08 AM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ] __________________

07-30-2003, 08:20 AM	#7
Assassin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 23, 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 1,134	Personally, I wouldn't bother with using SK, and just take a straight Assassin through the game. It's plenty powerful enough, and you really don't need that Fighter side. Plus, you don't have to wait that long time to get your abilities back. In Irenicus' dungeon, just backstab your way through. [img]tongue.gif[/img] edit Gangrell, reread his post. Methinks that you misunderstood what he said. [ 07-30-2003, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Assassin ] __________________ In The Terminator, Sarah Connor is told a speech by John Connor\'s father that John has given in the future. When John is born, Sarah tells John this speech, and John grows up to tell it in the future. So who wrote the speech?!

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07-29-2003, 11:38 PM	#2
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	Why not start out with a fighter/thief and pick Valgar up on the way.

07-29-2003, 11:45 PM	#4
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	Let me ask you this then, why use SK to do that change onto your fighter into an assassin? Just dual from an assassin into a fighter at level 13 and with enough quests under your belt, you should be able to breach 14th level, of course that depends on how many characters you take with you.

07-30-2003, 09:29 AM	#9
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	Or you can just get an elven character and become a fighter/thief to make it less complicated. But as far as SK goes, dual from a fighter to a thief at level 13 then with so much experience you'll breach 14th level to get the benefits of both classes. Don't start out dualing a class at assassin at 1st level or SK will make experience rack up for both your classes IIRC.

07-30-2003, 11:48 AM	#10
Jim Quintesson Join Date: May 1, 2001 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire, England Age: 45 Posts: 1,088	May contain ToB spoilers ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ There's a simple solution. Extend Gangrell's idea further, and play as an assassin until say, level 22 (requires 3,150,000 XP), and then dual to a fighter, and carry on to a potential max fighter level of 27 (an additional 4,850,000 XP). This way, you get to choose 1 thief HLA (UAI obviously) and then go on to gain 5 warrior HLA's. You could play with the numbers a little, and dual slightly later as a thief, gaining more thief HLA's at the expense of the warrior HLA's (max thief dual in this case is level 24 thief (3,600,000 XP) to allow for a level 25 warrior (4,250,000 XP). Basically, whatever late dual you choose, make sure you get at least 1 thief HLA. This also ensures that your character will be able to pack the full x7 backstab and let me tell you, a critical grandmastery septuple backstab is a devastating attack, potentially more powerful that than of a late kensai dualled to a thief. This suggestion obviously assumes you have ToB installed, which I'm guessing you have since you say you want UAI, so you're obviously planning on playing through ToB too...

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