Wierd computer question

toot033 · 04-22-2007, 07:04 PM

OK.. Have I got a question for all you computer experts. I was running a spy scanner today and it showed I had a trojan horse ( win32.delf.ak and Norton missed it)and I wanted to remove it. Looking on the web, all the info I could find said to log in safe mode and delete the registry entry. My computer would not let me do a F8 safe log in so I tried the safe mode from the boot.ini and after doing this my computer gets stuck in a boot loop in safe mode, gets to the start up screen, does a quick BSOD (which I cant read what it says), and reboots. If I try to boot off the xp install disk and do a repair it says there isn't any hard drive present and can't do anything. I have been on the phone with Microsoft all afternoon and they are scratching their collective heads. Earlier in the day I updated my drivers ( VIA, video driver, etc) but after each reboot the system ran fine. I did all the updates before I found the trojan horse and as I stated before the sytem ran fine after each reboot after each update. SOOOOO does anyone have any ideas what I can do to do correct this? Also the hard drive is not making any noise and the hard drive light does turn on to indicate a failure and it was workig fine prior to the reboot from Hell.
Any and all help would be appreciated ( plus there is the extra benny of showing up Micosoft).

Hivetyrant · 04-22-2007, 08:13 PM

First of all, do you have any system recovery points set up?

Larry_OHF · 04-22-2007, 09:43 PM

I had that happen once, where I set the boot.ini to boot into safe mode and it went into the same loop that you are referring to. That was the day I died a little.

I was finally able to get in and uncheck that box which ended the loop, but I have no idea how I did it, and was probably not myself when this was going on. I was in a mad rage...so my memory was fried. I want to say that I finally got the chance to boot into safemode with one of the Function buttons...but I remember trying them ALL numerous times before something let me in.

Felix The Assassin · 04-22-2007, 09:46 PM

So, what I understand here is: You were surfing some sites of ill repute? After surfing said sites, you felt a bit guilty? This guilt lead you to run a 'spy-scan'? This 'spy-scan' said you have been inflicted with what you typed above?

What did you do next?
Why?

Norton, nor McAfee will recognize a 'dialer' program. A dialer program is attached to your system when running 'that OS from Redmond' and you the user do not have full control over the entire rig. IE, your security is too lax. If it was tighter, you would not have had this dilemma, nor would you have made contact with the site of ill-repute either.

Never the less, hopefully you did what Hivetyrant has asked? If not, I'll send you a disk and you can convert your system and march in the penguin army! As a soldier in the penguin army you will be invulnerable to all of those nasty "other OS" attacks. They just kinda go right by, like you are not even there, however, every now and again, one will hit you and you will get a pop up that says your system is not up to date, "You must update to the "Redmond" OS before you can be attacked from ~ erm, use this site.

Anyhow, two options. Restore, or go Linux.

In the future, please be so generous to yourself and research at least 3-5 "WELL KNOWN" sites before you dink with 'that OS' in safe mode?

That file is just:
"Low risk"

"Harmless"

"Dialer to high fee inetrnet services located outside the US"

It appears it is low level, yet high rooted. That just means it attach's itself in several different locations, and if un-installed incorrectly, it my create a boot fail.

That would account for why you 'OS' disk does not recognize the HDD, it ain't there! (No boot block).

I absolutely will not give anybody any advice when the (boot block or sector) has been dinked.

I will say, I hope you the best of luck, and that you do not have anything of importance on that rig.

toot033 · 04-24-2007, 11:20 AM

Well found out it was a boot sector failure... ( And no Felix I had not been to any daddy only sites... LOL). still trying to get the beast back up and running ( full reformat etc... I was able to recover almost everything.
Thanks for all the help!!
P.S I can't wait to get off my daughter's computer... this Brats stuff is drving me crazy...

04-22-2007, 07:04 PM	#1
toot033 Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 13, 2006 Location: The Redneck Riviera Age: 57 Posts: 892	OK.. Have I got a question for all you computer experts. I was running a spy scanner today and it showed I had a trojan horse ( win32.delf.ak and Norton missed it)and I wanted to remove it. Looking on the web, all the info I could find said to log in safe mode and delete the registry entry. My computer would not let me do a F8 safe log in so I tried the safe mode from the boot.ini and after doing this my computer gets stuck in a boot loop in safe mode, gets to the start up screen, does a quick BSOD (which I cant read what it says), and reboots. If I try to boot off the xp install disk and do a repair it says there isn't any hard drive present and can't do anything. I have been on the phone with Microsoft all afternoon and they are scratching their collective heads. Earlier in the day I updated my drivers ( VIA, video driver, etc) but after each reboot the system ran fine. I did all the updates before I found the trojan horse and as I stated before the sytem ran fine after each reboot after each update. SOOOOO does anyone have any ideas what I can do to do correct this? Also the hard drive is not making any noise and the hard drive light does turn on to indicate a failure and it was workig fine prior to the reboot from Hell. Any and all help would be appreciated ( plus there is the extra benny of showing up Micosoft). __________________ 'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan

04-22-2007, 09:43 PM	#3
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 49 Posts: 14,759	I had that happen once, where I set the boot.ini to boot into safe mode and it went into the same loop that you are referring to. That was the day I died a little. I was finally able to get in and uncheck that box which ended the loop, but I have no idea how I did it, and was probably not myself when this was going on. I was in a mad rage...so my memory was fried. I want to say that I finally got the chance to boot into safemode with one of the Function buttons...but I remember trying them ALL numerous times before something let me in. __________________

04-22-2007, 09:46 PM	#4
Felix The Assassin The Dreadnoks Join Date: September 27, 2001 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 62 Posts: 3,608	So, what I understand here is: You were surfing some sites of ill repute? After surfing said sites, you felt a bit guilty? This guilt lead you to run a 'spy-scan'? This 'spy-scan' said you have been inflicted with what you typed above? What did you do next? Why? Norton, nor McAfee will recognize a 'dialer' program. A dialer program is attached to your system when running 'that OS from Redmond' and you the user do not have full control over the entire rig. IE, your security is too lax. If it was tighter, you would not have had this dilemma, nor would you have made contact with the site of ill-repute either. Never the less, hopefully you did what Hivetyrant has asked? If not, I'll send you a disk and you can convert your system and march in the penguin army! As a soldier in the penguin army you will be invulnerable to all of those nasty "other OS" attacks. They just kinda go right by, like you are not even there, however, every now and again, one will hit you and you will get a pop up that says your system is not up to date, "You must update to the "Redmond" OS before you can be attacked from ~ erm, use this site. Anyhow, two options. Restore, or go Linux. In the future, please be so generous to yourself and research at least 3-5 "WELL KNOWN" sites before you dink with 'that OS' in safe mode? That file is just: "Low risk" "Harmless" "Dialer to high fee inetrnet services located outside the US" It appears it is low level, yet high rooted. That just means it attach's itself in several different locations, and if un-installed incorrectly, it my create a boot fail. That would account for why you 'OS' disk does not recognize the HDD, it ain't there! (No boot block). I absolutely will not give anybody any advice when the (boot block or sector) has been dinked. I will say, I hope you the best of luck, and that you do not have anything of importance on that rig. __________________ The Lizzie Palmer Tribute Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty. John F. Kennedy 35th President of The United States The Last Shot Honor The Fallen Jesus died for our sins, and American Soldiers died for our freedom. If you don't stand behind our Soldiers, please feel free to stand in front of them.

04-24-2007, 11:20 AM	#5
toot033 Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 13, 2006 Location: The Redneck Riviera Age: 57 Posts: 892	Well found out it was a boot sector failure... ( And no Felix I had not been to any daddy only sites... LOL). still trying to get the beast back up and running ( full reformat etc... I was able to recover almost everything. Thanks for all the help!! P.S I can't wait to get off my daughter's computer... this Brats stuff is drving me crazy... __________________ 'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan

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04-22-2007, 08:13 PM	#2
Hivetyrant Jack Burton Join Date: August 24, 2002 Location: Aussie now in the US of A! Age: 38 Posts: 5,403	First of all, do you have any system recovery points set up?

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