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I don't know. Bipartisan is not the way I would have described the situation in the mid '80s when I was a Texas resident. Democrats gerrymandered every chance they got, and even tried to ramrod it through a couple times when they were not supposed to. Texas politics are... different...
IIRC, when a few of the more cantankerous Repubs got uppity about it, their seats were declared abandoned, and the seat went vacant. The county could schedule a special election to fill it, or they went without representation until their next election. Either way, the Democrats had one less opposition vote to whatever was on their agenda. I, for one, would like to see all 59 seats declared abandoned, giving them a taste of their own medicine, but I doubt even Texas Republicans have the balls to do it... |
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Thorfinn is right, you know. The deals are made and sealed in high-dollar restaurants, hotel suites, high-rise office conference rooms, or on a plane. Only then do these deals become bills that are "debated" in the Legislature and passed.
Ok, maybe it isn't really quite that bad, but the way the Legislature is established by the Texas Constitution (which has at this point probably 200 amendments) only those who are independently wealthy can afford to become a State Representative or State Senator. Actually, this kind of power play over redistricting is common here, even at the city level of government. Unfortunately, this will ultimately be settled in the Texas Supreme Court. My advice to the Democrats: go back to the Legislature floor, vote against the redistricting--even if you will lose, then begin campaigning now to win a majority of seats in the next Legislature and redistrict again. Sad, but the only people you are hurting right now are yourselves.
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Not true. Democrats will lose so many seats with the redistricting that they can't make up for it at the polls. I say politically it's brilliant.
Gerrymandering however is a shame and is broken. It ain't just in Texas. In every state, when one party gets enough of a majority, it redraws the districts. This wastes our tax dollars just as surely as congressional junkets. Plus, in no less than three very convoluted cases, the Supreme Court has developed a line of jurisprudence on gerrymandering that is often cited as the dumbest string of meaningless conditions and "tests" in the law. |
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Odd how when things are done according to the rules the paper makes it sound like they are actually breaking them. I also like the way the article implies or appears to imply that the "republicans" seized control of the government...I do believe they won it in a public electoral process...the very same way the Dems won it the last time they were in power.
All in all I believe that if they desert their post to avoid a loss, they should be disenfranchised and replaced. It was their choice to give up their seats by walking out while they were insession...no different than if I walked out of my work place because I didn't like a policy. TL nothing is stopping a single citizen from voting for the democruds after the redistricting...hell I live in a completley democrud dominated state....and yet...we managed to get a repug governor.... [ 05-13-2003, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ] |
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Actually I think every single state should be redistricted..into geometric shapes...squares or rectangles or some such...no special wandering districts to gove one group or another a bigger voice...let the chips fall where they may.
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First let me say I am neither dem or repub. I like to joke I am a socialist libertarian because I beleive that most drugs and prostitution should be legal and that goverment should provide services like healthcare or education.
So partisanship aside, I agree that the dems running away seems irresponsible, but its not like they do this everytime they are losing. They chose this battle. It just takes me for a loop that the police were sent out looking for these people. Aren't there missing children to look for? Rapists and murderers on the loose? It doesnt seem right. I do apoligize for my choice of news link if you find it slanted. I have read some other articles on this that were less slanted. I chose this one randomly to help start a discussion on the issue and I liked the writing style. A friend of mine pointed out the Washington Post has a reputation for being overly Liberal (aka less republican) so perhaps I could have found a more neutral toned article. oh well...
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I still think the 'Pubs should show some balls and boot some of the "Congressmen" whose jobs will probably be lost through redistricting, anyway. If I were a Texan, and my Congressman took it on the lam, I would seriously consider getting a group together and suing him for any of several offenses, including dereliction of duty, breach of oath of office, getting paid for services not rendered, etc.
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Actually, instead of redistricting, I think I would pay good money to get enough congressmen to stay home so they never get a quorum...
We could then take it one step further, and if a district doesn't send a representative, they don't have to pay taxes... Freedom would be breaking out all over the country... [EDIT] Apropos of nothing, what would happen if the congressmen never turned up? What if their bodies were never recovered? Would there be no quorum until the next general election, or can missing persons be replaced? [/EDIT] [ 05-13-2003, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: Thorfinn ] |
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