Just my $0.02...

Dundee Slaytern · 07-16-2002, 10:07 AM

... feel free to ignore it. This was meant to be in the other thread, but it got closed as I was typing this.

I think both sides should cool down.

-vixen, barely a day has gone by before you decided to pack up and leave again. I am very sure Ziroc does not condone harassment of IW members, but you have to give him some time to get on the case. It is not as though he is on the forum 24/7. A simple PM or an e-mail to him would have solved your problem. I suppose there has been some misunderstandings, but take my word for it that Ziroc is not a meanie. I have seen worse on other forums, a lot worse.

To the others, I will not point fingers, but man... cut her some slack. Getting slagged through PM or e-mail is not a nice thing, and it would seem she has a geniune case here. Maybe she is feeling hurt now and striking out blindly, but she is a victim. I am not condoning her rash actions, but I am upset that some of the reactions towards her plight have been cold... ...

Downunda · 07-16-2002, 10:09 AM

I'm behind ya 100% dude, there was no need for her to get treated like that.
It's no excuse for her to go off at everyone else though.

[ 07-16-2002, 10:10 AM: Message edited by: Downunda ]

Madman-Rogovich · 07-16-2002, 10:10 AM

dude have you read her proof thread?

shes just an angry little girl creating drama for attention or atleast thats what it comes across as to me.

johnny · 07-16-2002, 10:11 AM

You've read my mind dude !

Dundee Slaytern · 07-16-2002, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Madman-Rogovich:
dude have you read her proof thread?
shes just an angry little girl creating drama for attention or atleast thats what it comes across as to me.

She is getting offensive messages, I think a little angst is to be expected. She does not deserve this kind of treatment, nobody deserves this kind of treatment.

By treatment, I mean the messages.

As I have said in my previous post, it does not condone her actions, but surely at least it mitigates it? From what I have observed so far, tempers flared up too fast on both sides.

Megabot · 07-16-2002, 10:17 AM

Quote:

... feel free to ignore it. This was meant to be in the other thread, but it got closed as I was typing this.

I think both sides should cool down.

-vixen, barely a day has gone by before you decided to pack up and leave again. I am very sure Ziroc does not condone harassment of IW members, but you have to give him some time to get on the case. It is not as though he is on the forum 24/7. A simple PM or an e-mail to him would have solved your problem. I suppose there has been some misunderstandings, but take my word for it that Ziroc is not a meanie. I have seen worse on other forums, a lot worse.

To the others, I will not point fingers, but man... cut her some slack. Getting slagged through PM or e-mail is not a nice thing, and it would seem she has a geniune case here. Maybe she is feeling hurt now and striking out blindly, but she is a victim. I am not condoning her rash actions, but I am upset that some of the reactions towards her plight have been cold... ...

I can agree 100000% to that Dundee Slaytern!
And she IS a nice girl if you can knove here a little more as maby i and Johnny do!!!!

[ 07-16-2002, 10:20 AM: Message edited by: Megabot ]

Madman-Rogovich · 07-16-2002, 10:22 AM

yeah but did she get vicious pms?
she could work with images she could have easily made them

07-16-2002, 10:27 AM

I think you're right, Dundee. For all the talk of acceptance, there are some storms of self-righteousness that blow in now and again. I had thought better of some people here, but I've been wrong before.
When somebody is hurting, or going through a tough stretch, lashing out at them just to protect your own tender sensibilities is a poor response, and in my view, demonstrates a lack of compassion. And maintaining a nice public face while spewing vitriol in a pm is nothing short of pathetic.

Madman-Rogovich · 07-16-2002, 10:30 AM

i agree completely but i hold everyone in IW with very high regards so when she badmouths them im slow to back her up

Grojlach · 07-16-2002, 10:32 AM

Bit of a black & white view on the situation you're trying to portray here, Dundee. You forgot to mention -vixen was balancing on a thin line in her time at Ironworks by making several posts of a rather controversial nature. Apart from the view of the moderators on it (whether it was out of line or not, but I think the official rulings are quite clear), I think it's not strange many people got offended by some of her posts and her old signature. The way she responded to people who showed their concern about the questionable nature of her posts absolutely lacked a lot of tact and respect just the same... Pot vs. Kettle, anyone?
And, in the end, she was actually just baiting for more criticism by starting to post about some of her "sexually oriented dreams" and by responding to all criticism quite fiercely, with a misplaced bit of drama.
I'm not taking sides in this matter - I couldn't care less - , I just think it's better to see things in perspective, as I have my doubts if everyone seeing this thread will really understand what this is all about.

[ 07-16-2002, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

07-16-2002, 10:09 AM	#2
Downunda Set - Egyptian God of Chaos Join Date: January 7, 2002 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Age: 46 Posts: 2,975	I'm behind ya 100% dude, there was no need for her to get treated like that. It's no excuse for her to go off at everyone else though. [ 07-16-2002, 10:10 AM: Message edited by: Downunda ] __________________ \"Doing stuff is overrated, like Hitler, he did lots of stuff, but doesn\'t everybody wish he\'d just stayed at home and smoked pot?!?\"

07-16-2002, 10:10 AM	#3
Madman-Rogovich Lord Soth Join Date: October 23, 2001 Location: Edinburgh Age: 40 Posts: 1,918	dude have you read her proof thread? shes just an angry little girl creating drama for attention or atleast thats what it comes across as to me. __________________ One room, one axe, one outcome.

07-16-2002, 10:11 AM	#4
johnny 40th Level Warrior Join Date: April 15, 2002 Location: Utrecht The Netherlands Age: 59 Posts: 16,981	You've read my mind dude ! __________________

07-16-2002, 10:22 AM	#7
Madman-Rogovich Lord Soth Join Date: October 23, 2001 Location: Edinburgh Age: 40 Posts: 1,918	yeah but did she get vicious pms? she could work with images she could have easily made them __________________ One room, one axe, one outcome.

07-16-2002, 10:30 AM	#9
Madman-Rogovich Lord Soth Join Date: October 23, 2001 Location: Edinburgh Age: 40 Posts: 1,918	i agree completely but i hold everyone in IW with very high regards so when she badmouths them im slow to back her up __________________ One room, one axe, one outcome.

07-16-2002, 10:07 AM	#1
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	... feel free to ignore it. This was meant to be in the other thread, but it got closed as I was typing this. I think both sides should cool down. -vixen, barely a day has gone by before you decided to pack up and leave again. I am very sure Ziroc does not condone harassment of IW members, but you have to give him some time to get on the case. It is not as though he is on the forum 24/7. A simple PM or an e-mail to him would have solved your problem. I suppose there has been some misunderstandings, but take my word for it that Ziroc is not a meanie. I have seen worse on other forums, a lot worse. To the others, I will not point fingers, but man... cut her some slack. Getting slagged through PM or e-mail is not a nice thing, and it would seem she has a geniune case here. Maybe she is feeling hurt now and striking out blindly, but she is a victim. I am not condoning her rash actions, but I am upset that some of the reactions towards her plight have been cold... ...

07-16-2002, 10:27 AM	#8
Absynthe Guest Posts: n/a	I think you're right, Dundee. For all the talk of acceptance, there are some storms of self-righteousness that blow in now and again. I had thought better of some people here, but I've been wrong before. When somebody is hurting, or going through a tough stretch, lashing out at them just to protect your own tender sensibilities is a poor response, and in my view, demonstrates a lack of compassion. And maintaining a nice public face while spewing vitriol in a pm is nothing short of pathetic.

07-16-2002, 10:32 AM	#10
Grojlach Zartan Join Date: May 2, 2001 Location: Ulpia Noviomagus Batavorum Age: 44 Posts: 5,281	Bit of a black & white view on the situation you're trying to portray here, Dundee. You forgot to mention -vixen was balancing on a thin line in her time at Ironworks by making several posts of a rather controversial nature. Apart from the view of the moderators on it (whether it was out of line or not, but I think the official rulings are quite clear), I think it's not strange many people got offended by some of her posts and her old signature. The way she responded to people who showed their concern about the questionable nature of her posts absolutely lacked a lot of tact and respect just the same... Pot vs. Kettle, anyone? And, in the end, she was actually just baiting for more criticism by starting to post about some of her "sexually oriented dreams" and by responding to all criticism quite fiercely, with a misplaced bit of drama. I'm not taking sides in this matter - I couldn't care less - , I just think it's better to see things in perspective, as I have my doubts if everyone seeing this thread will really understand what this is all about. [ 07-16-2002, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ] __________________ [url]\"http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Grobbel/\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://www.denness.net/rpi/username/Grobbel\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

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