It SEEMS some WoMD's have been found

[John D Harris]

I'll let you folks find the links and do your own research*HINT* most if not all major news services have the story.

Now for all who have claimed there are NO, as in Zero, Nada, Zip WoMD's, even ONE shell contaning a gas destroyes that position. If My math is correct 1 is not the same as 0. Bring forth the justifcation of numbers now, I look forward to nickle and diming that position down one shell at a time until I get you to one shell is too many. In the interest of niceness and fairness I'll save you the time and effort, and show how the arguement will go and the end result before hand.

Agruement:
Well they said there were more WoMD's then that, approx 560 shells.
Counter:
OH, so 559 shells would be ok, one less shell means there are NO,ZERO,ZIP Womd's?
(Continues removing one shell at a time until the number reaches 1)

I write all that for them that have screamed about NO WoMD's, and give them the opportunity to correct their now mistaked postion and change it, or come up with a new justification for their postition of not agreeing with the war. NOBOBY has to agree with the war, just somebody please stand up and say well the ZERO WoMD's is now wrong, they in fact do exist, so the position that President Bush Lied because Zero WoMD's have been found is infact NOW a position based on a falsehood. That doesn't mean you like President Bush it just means you can reconzies the truth and say it.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Now, Now, Mr. "Hale" - let's not try to muddy the waters with irrelevant facts.

When asked about the shells found today, Hans Blix replied that these were much older weapons and had probably been there since the 80's. Now, exactly how that makes them exempt from the U.N. Sanctions isn't really clear. Maybe they had passed their Expiration Date. You know "Bomb is most deadly if used before this date - DD/MM/YY".

But it does put a kink in the argument that Saddam did not have WMD and that it was all a BIG LIE!!!

[Stratos]

I found this small article at Reuters. Enjoy!

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military said Monday it had found an artillery round loaded with the sarin nerve agent in Iraq.

© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.
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[Skunk]

Wow - they found one measly shell - glad we killed 10,000 people to get or well, god knows how many might have died had it gone off - maybe at least 10 people!

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Skunk: Wow - they found one measly shell - glad we killed 10,000 people to get or well, god knows how many might have died had it gone off - maybe at least 10 people!

Yep, one measly shell - so far. But - as Mr. "Hale" pointed out, that is still one more shell than Hans Blix and several IW members claimed were there.

OH..and you could ask the Kurds just how many people "one measly shell" can kill. They should be able to give you some good figures...well, the ones that are left anyway.

Then again - maybe you're right. Maybe we shouldn't have killed 10,000 people to remove the threat of Saddam Hussein and the possibility of him using these measly shells. Maybe we should have just left him in power and let him continue killing his own citizens without having to use up any of those measly shells. At least then, the U.S.A. wouldn't be condemned for their deaths...well, except for the condemnation we would recieve for taking NO ACTION in the face of such atrocities.

[Timber Loftis]

While this takes some wind out of the argument that WMD's were a lie or a false excuse, let's not make a mountain out of a very small molehill.

[Stratos]

Right, lets just wait and see if there's more shells where that one came from.

[Davros]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: While this takes some wind out of the argument that WMD's were a lie or a false excuse, let's not make a mountain out of a very small molehill.

You have to start somewhere though TL, and any long journey starts with a single step. If we have found this shell in a little under 15 months, just imagine what might be uncovered in the next decade.

[john]

i wonder if upon closer inspection you might find a stamp on the side saying "made in the u.s.a."?

[John D Harris]

Well here's really neat nugget from the original story it seems Pentagon officals were not happy about the news of the WoMD shell being found, was released, because it was Classified. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM? What other evidence of WoMD's is there that is not being released because it is classified? after all there is rampid conspiracy talk going on amoungst some sectors of this debate worldwide, Lordy they even got films about this or that conspiracy . But there couldn't possibly be a conspiracy to keep what has been found secret, only a conspiracy about what has not been found.

I want some honest thinking going on here. As T.L. has pointed out on many occasions the UN and nearly every gov't in the world agreed Iraq had WoMD's up to right before the U.S.A. attacked. What the UN and the others didn't know was how much, They thought they had an Idea but not an exact figure a rough guess. Let's call that guess "X" The U.S. goes in and finds .2X right off the bat, that leaves .8X still out there. Over the next year they find another .5X. That still leaves .3X out there still unfound and potentially could be used to kill. What seems more reasonable that the U.S. would keep the total classifed, and denies the enemy the information of how much has been found, a very vital piece of Intel, and help keep the troops that are in harms way a little safer. or release every teany tiny bit of info on WoMD's so the rest of the world can "Feel" better about what is being done, while alerting the enemy about what has been found and giving an enemy that's back is against the wall a heads up. An enemy that has clearly shown by it's current and past actions to have little reguard for Human life. Anybody ever heard of the USE IT OR LOSE IT philosophy?

You people can make the call, but just chew on it:
One hand not wanting Intel to get out to save lives or what ever reason that rattles arround in the heads of spooks(American slang for the intel community). On the other hand letting Intel out to make people "Feel" better but giving the enemy the heads up, on vital intel.

[ 05-18-2004, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]