Severe problem in chapter six with Elhan (possibly a bug?)

Rugbear · 01-09-2002, 02:35 PM

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I have following problem in Chapter Six:
After returning from the Underworld i talk to Elhan and get the lanthorn quest. right after that i encounter several harpers that accuse me of killing the harper that wanted to imprison me in chapter three. Regardless of the answers i give to them they attack me. Now i run away out of the area, because i don't want to start a fight next to the elves. after completeing the lanthorn thing and some side quests i return to to the exit of the underworld.
by that point, i suppose that i have not completed the harper's quest, as dermin doesn't show up again after jaheira disappeared the second time.
anyway, the harpers are still in the area and attack me.
now to my actual problem: elhan has turned hostile (red circle), and i have no way to talk to him to deliver the lanthorn. i tried several things (walking up invsible to avoid the harpers, casting magic on elhan to make him a friend), but hopeless.
Who can help? Is this maybe a bug? Why should Elhan turn hostile? I am playing an neutral character with reputation 18.

i would be very thankful any clue...

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: Rugbear ]

daan · 01-09-2002, 03:22 PM

It is indeed weird,
and i dont really have an answer .....
Try looking at baldurdash: "http://members.home.net/mrkevvy/"
if its a bug.
Are you sure you didnt injure him with an area effect spell ??

Oh and a way to make sure its a bug:
If you try talking to him, while hostile, his hostile state should trigger a time-stop and instant death ... if this is not the case, its a bug for certain. Anywayz, try checking baldurdash for it [img]smile.gif[/img]

Lord Ludtke · 01-10-2002, 03:16 PM

It is a bug, and it is a game ender. There is no way to fix a saved game, but you can prevent it from happening again with a patch from baldurdash, but you will have to go to a previous saved game before he turned hostile, like in the UD.

Lord Ludtke · 01-10-2002, 03:17 PM

Oh yeah, WELCOME !!!

Rugbear · 01-11-2002, 05:43 AM

Thanks for your support - even with the bad news that i have to reload to a game before that elhan quest. this sucks because i've done a LOT of side quests since then and don't really want do do that again.

is there no way at all to continue, like changing some global variable to make elhan friendly, or any other cheat to make the plot going on? I don't like using cheats in RPGs, but playing all of this with the same party again sucks!

Lord Ludtke · 01-11-2002, 10:48 AM

That was the bug that prompted me to start over with a different party. It seemed like too much of a hassle to do everything over again with the same guys.

I tried almost everything, from charming people to trying to sneak by them to killing the Harpers as soon as possible but nothing helped. I didn't try the the cntl-y instant death on the Harpers you might try that.

Someone would have to have extensive knowledge of Shadowkeeper to get that variable that you need, but it is worth a shot. It would require you saving after you turned him hostile, which I am not sure is possible. Then SK and turning some obsure variable from a 1 to a 0 or such like. You can probably see why I just started over.

Good luck;D

Rugbear · 01-14-2002, 06:14 AM

i finally managed to continue my game without reload from a saved prevoius to that first elhan encounter. its quite simple if you know how. in any outdoor area except the one where Elhan actually is just type
CLUAConsole:CreateCreature("c6elhan")
in the console (with debug activated), and he will appear right in front of you, not being hostile. now you can talk to him (first he will replay the "return from underdark"-dialogue with the questions you have to answer truthfully) but when you talk to him a second time he takes the lanthorn and teleports you to the entrance to Suldanessalar - the plot goes on!
so you can gladly go on eith your game...

Glorfindel · 01-14-2002, 06:35 AM

Isnt it a real bummer when u have 2 cheat to get the story to work when uve been playing 4 that long????

Ike YarakZ · 01-14-2002, 10:50 AM

Yeah

...

Lord Ludtke · 01-14-2002, 10:57 AM

I wish I would have known about that one. How did that whole scene play out without his little minions around to "read your mind"?

01-09-2002, 03:22 PM	#2
daan Silver Dragon Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: - Age: 40 Posts: 1,644	It is indeed weird, and i dont really have an answer ..... Try looking at baldurdash: "http://members.home.net/mrkevvy/" if its a bug. Are you sure you didnt injure him with an area effect spell ?? Oh and a way to make sure its a bug: If you try talking to him, while hostile, his hostile state should trigger a time-stop and instant death ... if this is not the case, its a bug for certain. Anywayz, try checking baldurdash for it [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ <strong> Odi et Amo. Quare id faciam facisse requires ? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior </strong><br /><br /><strong> Amantem cogit amare magis, sed bene velle minus </strong>

01-10-2002, 03:16 PM	#3
Lord Ludtke Zhentarim Guard Join Date: November 21, 2001 Location: canada Posts: 319	It is a bug, and it is a game ender. There is no way to fix a saved game, but you can prevent it from happening again with a patch from baldurdash, but you will have to go to a previous saved game before he turned hostile, like in the UD. __________________ Do not pray for an easy life.<br />Pray for the strength to endure <br />a tough one.<p>:warrior1:

01-10-2002, 03:17 PM	#4
Lord Ludtke Zhentarim Guard Join Date: November 21, 2001 Location: canada Posts: 319	Oh yeah, WELCOME !!! __________________ Do not pray for an easy life.<br />Pray for the strength to endure <br />a tough one.<p>:warrior1:

01-11-2002, 10:48 AM	#6
Lord Ludtke Zhentarim Guard Join Date: November 21, 2001 Location: canada Posts: 319	That was the bug that prompted me to start over with a different party. It seemed like too much of a hassle to do everything over again with the same guys. I tried almost everything, from charming people to trying to sneak by them to killing the Harpers as soon as possible but nothing helped. I didn't try the the cntl-y instant death on the Harpers you might try that. Someone would have to have extensive knowledge of Shadowkeeper to get that variable that you need, but it is worth a shot. It would require you saving after you turned him hostile, which I am not sure is possible. Then SK and turning some obsure variable from a 1 to a 0 or such like. You can probably see why I just started over. Good luck;D __________________ Do not pray for an easy life.<br />Pray for the strength to endure <br />a tough one.<p>:warrior1:

01-14-2002, 10:50 AM	#9
Ike YarakZ Dungeon Master Join Date: January 10, 2002 Location: Melbourne Posts: 70	Yeah ... __________________ Your bad name is your own doing (C)

01-09-2002, 02:35 PM	#1
Rugbear Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 5	POSSIBLE SPOILER: . . . . . . . . . . I have following problem in Chapter Six: After returning from the Underworld i talk to Elhan and get the lanthorn quest. right after that i encounter several harpers that accuse me of killing the harper that wanted to imprison me in chapter three. Regardless of the answers i give to them they attack me. Now i run away out of the area, because i don't want to start a fight next to the elves. after completeing the lanthorn thing and some side quests i return to to the exit of the underworld. by that point, i suppose that i have not completed the harper's quest, as dermin doesn't show up again after jaheira disappeared the second time. anyway, the harpers are still in the area and attack me. now to my actual problem: elhan has turned hostile (red circle), and i have no way to talk to him to deliver the lanthorn. i tried several things (walking up invsible to avoid the harpers, casting magic on elhan to make him a friend), but hopeless. Who can help? Is this maybe a bug? Why should Elhan turn hostile? I am playing an neutral character with reputation 18. i would be very thankful any clue... [ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: Rugbear ]

01-11-2002, 05:43 AM	#5
Rugbear Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 5	Thanks for your support - even with the bad news that i have to reload to a game before that elhan quest. this sucks because i've done a LOT of side quests since then and don't really want do do that again. is there no way at all to continue, like changing some global variable to make elhan friendly, or any other cheat to make the plot going on? I don't like using cheats in RPGs, but playing all of this with the same party again sucks!

01-14-2002, 06:14 AM	#7
Rugbear Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 5	i finally managed to continue my game without reload from a saved prevoius to that first elhan encounter. its quite simple if you know how. in any outdoor area except the one where Elhan actually is just type CLUAConsole:CreateCreature("c6elhan") in the console (with debug activated), and he will appear right in front of you, not being hostile. now you can talk to him (first he will replay the "return from underdark"-dialogue with the questions you have to answer truthfully) but when you talk to him a second time he takes the lanthorn and teleports you to the entrance to Suldanessalar - the plot goes on! so you can gladly go on eith your game...

01-14-2002, 06:35 AM	#8
Glorfindel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Mt. Gambier, Australia Age: 38 Posts: 3,337	Isnt it a real bummer when u have 2 cheat to get the story to work when uve been playing 4 that long????

01-14-2002, 10:57 AM	#10
Lord Ludtke Zhentarim Guard Join Date: November 21, 2001 Location: canada Posts: 319	I wish I would have known about that one. How did that whole scene play out without his little minions around to "read your mind"? __________________ Do not pray for an easy life.<br />Pray for the strength to endure <br />a tough one.<p>:warrior1:

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