Giving a character a "Baldur's Gate boost" -- is it cheesy?

krunchyfrogg · 12-01-2004, 04:57 PM

Is it cheesy to start a new game in BGII and give your character +1 to every stat, and a +3 to WIS? What about boosting your experience up to 161,000 (the cap with TotSC installed)?

Link · 12-01-2004, 05:19 PM

Well not really, IIRC even Six usually does that (he even created a Tome for it). It saves you from having to play BG1 over again.

Elric of Melnibone · 12-01-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Link:
Well not really, IIRC even Six usually does that (he even created a Tome for it). It saves you from having to play BG1 over again.

Wow, this is pretty cool. Is this tome available to the public, and if so, where can I download it?

Link · 12-01-2004, 05:26 PM

Well, it's not that spectacular really. He made a custom item he called the Tome of Retroactive Convenience using Shadowkeeper and he that same program to give himself the item at the start of BG2. Upon usage the item would disappear and the user would gain the appropriate stats as if he'd been through both BG1 and TotSC

SixOfSpades · 12-01-2004, 06:58 PM

Shadowkeeper can't be used to make items: I used IEEP for that, although I hear something called DCTLEP (or whatever) is better. Yeah, it does all the things that you could do in Shadowkeeper, but it's just easier: Instead of Saving, Alt-Tabbing out, waiting 2 minutes for Shadowkeeper to load, messing with your stats, EXP, and Inventory, Saving that, going back to the game, and loading up your edited save, all you have to do is say CreateItem('toscbook'), slap that book into your Quickslot, use that sucker, and you're done.

And the book has a neat little Description, too. [img]smile.gif[/img]

krunchyfrogg · 12-01-2004, 08:08 PM

Wow, that's awesome SixOfSpades!

Is there any way one of us lowly commoners can use this Tome?

BTW, my own thoughts on this are as follows: It's only cheesy if you haven't played Baldur's Gate. If you've played through the game, then why not gain the bonus stats?

Malthaussen · 12-01-2004, 10:16 PM

I would say that the best way for a "lowly commoner" to use the book would be to d/l DLTCEP and cook it up themselves. Entire creation process would take about five minutes. It is very, very easy to make items for the IE games using this tool or IEEP. DLTCEP is better, Six, d/l it and you won't be disappointed.

The modding tools are no harder to use than Shadowkeeper, which you were using already for your stat boost, and will let you do all sorts of nifty things to your game. Even create new NPCs, if you're prepared to do a bit of study and a lot of work.

-- Mal

LennonCook · 12-02-2004, 03:05 AM

I personally can't stand either DLTCEP or IEEP. I don't recommend either of them, to anyone. Especially IEEP, on account of it's horrid UI. I use and recommend Near Infinity. Now if only it were written in C++ with a cross-platform widget set... faster loading, no need for the download of the JRE. But, it's a very good program none the less. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Riftmaker · 12-02-2004, 03:16 PM

I can't figure out how to use DLTCEP properly to make NEW items. I can modify existing items though. Weird.

Malthaussen · 12-02-2004, 07:58 PM

So, Rift, just load in an old item, modify it, and save it under a new name. Hey, presto!

Just be sure to correctly index the scripts.

As for NI, 'tis a question of taste, of course. The dedicated hacker will download all of the tools (none of them are very memory-intensive) and see which one he prefers.

My preference for DLTCEP stems from the fact that even a dingbat can use it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

-- Mal

12-01-2004, 04:57 PM	#1
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	Is it cheesy to start a new game in BGII and give your character +1 to every stat, and a +3 to WIS? What about boosting your experience up to 161,000 (the cap with TotSC installed)? __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

12-01-2004, 05:19 PM	#2
Link Jack Burton Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: The Netherlands Age: 40 Posts: 5,888	Well not really, IIRC even Six usually does that (he even created a Tome for it). It saves you from having to play BG1 over again. __________________ Rowing is not a sport, it's a way of life Goal: Beijing 2008

12-01-2004, 05:26 PM	#4
Link Jack Burton Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: The Netherlands Age: 40 Posts: 5,888	Well, it's not that spectacular really. He made a custom item he called the Tome of Retroactive Convenience using Shadowkeeper and he that same program to give himself the item at the start of BG2. Upon usage the item would disappear and the user would gain the appropriate stats as if he'd been through both BG1 and TotSC __________________ Rowing is not a sport, it's a way of life Goal: Beijing 2008

12-01-2004, 06:58 PM	#5
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	Shadowkeeper can't be used to make items: I used IEEP for that, although I hear something called DCTLEP (or whatever) is better. Yeah, it does all the things that you could do in Shadowkeeper, but it's just easier: Instead of Saving, Alt-Tabbing out, waiting 2 minutes for Shadowkeeper to load, messing with your stats, EXP, and Inventory, Saving that, going back to the game, and loading up your edited save, all you have to do is say CreateItem('toscbook'), slap that book into your Quickslot, use that sucker, and you're done. And the book has a neat little Description, too. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

12-01-2004, 08:08 PM	#6
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	Wow, that's awesome SixOfSpades! Is there any way one of us lowly commoners can use this Tome? BTW, my own thoughts on this are as follows: It's only cheesy if you haven't played Baldur's Gate. If you've played through the game, then why not gain the bonus stats? __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

12-01-2004, 10:16 PM	#7
Malthaussen Manshoon Join Date: May 10, 2001 Location: Horsham, PA USA Age: 69 Posts: 151	I would say that the best way for a "lowly commoner" to use the book would be to d/l DLTCEP and cook it up themselves. Entire creation process would take about five minutes. It is very, very easy to make items for the IE games using this tool or IEEP. DLTCEP is better, Six, d/l it and you won't be disappointed. The modding tools are no harder to use than Shadowkeeper, which you were using already for your stat boost, and will let you do all sorts of nifty things to your game. Even create new NPCs, if you're prepared to do a bit of study and a lot of work. -- Mal __________________ \"Of two choices, I always take the third.\"

12-02-2004, 03:05 AM	#8
LennonCook Jack Burton Join Date: November 10, 2001 Location: Bathurst & Orange, in constant flux Age: 38 Posts: 5,452	I personally can't stand either DLTCEP or IEEP. I don't recommend either of them, to anyone. Especially IEEP, on account of it's horrid UI. I use and recommend Near Infinity. Now if only it were written in C++ with a cross-platform widget set... faster loading, no need for the download of the JRE. But, it's a very good program none the less. [img]smile.gif[/img]

12-02-2004, 03:16 PM	#9
Riftmaker Elminster Join Date: August 30, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 40 Posts: 463	I can't figure out how to use DLTCEP properly to make NEW items. I can modify existing items though. Weird. __________________ a.k.a. Lord`Rift<br />Founder, Anti-Idgit Squad.<br />\"I find your lack of geek knowledge disturbing\"

12-02-2004, 07:58 PM	#10
Malthaussen Manshoon Join Date: May 10, 2001 Location: Horsham, PA USA Age: 69 Posts: 151	So, Rift, just load in an old item, modify it, and save it under a new name. Hey, presto! Just be sure to correctly index the scripts. As for NI, 'tis a question of taste, of course. The dedicated hacker will download all of the tools (none of them are very memory-intensive) and see which one he prefers. My preference for DLTCEP stems from the fact that even a dingbat can use it. [img]smile.gif[/img] -- Mal __________________ \"Of two choices, I always take the third.\"

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