Surely we should all be sending some troops here...

[shamrock_uk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3998243.stm

Sudanese forces raid camp Sudanese security forces have again stormed a refugee camp in the troubled region of Darfur and attacked crowds. Police fired tear gas and assaulted residents at El-Geer camp near Nyala, just hours before the UN's Sudan envoy arrived at the settlement. (big snip)

Well, the Sudanese government have lost all the benefit of the doubt I originally gave them a couple of months back. Surely its time for a show of international military force in the area beyond the handfull of AU troops there? I'm inclined to say 'screw them' if the Sudanese government complains we're violating their territory - this has gone on long enough in my honest opinion.

EDITS: The quote was the wrong part

[ 11-10-2004, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[aleph_null1]

Agree: I'd say the world community, insofar as there is one, is well past the traditional notion of territorial sovereignty when serious human rights abuses are evident.

However, on the practical side, who has the troops to send right now? I can tell you honestly that U.S. forces are heavily committed as is, and I don't think western Europe is much different ...

[shamrock_uk]

Yeah, I doubt the UK could manage it for any extended period, and the French are tied up in Ivory Coast at the mo. I guess that leaves the Germans and they'd never break sovereignty in this kind of manner.

Ah well, hopefully somebody will dig deep...

[Larry_OHF]

What's Canada doing these days? They have a few guns to spare, don't they?

[pritchke]

Originally posted by Larry_OHF: What's Canada doing these days? They have a few guns to spare, don't they?

I think we are still tied up in Afghanistan.

Plus we would need to hitch a ride from the US. The PM is suppose to be meeting with the Sudanese government, so not sure what good that will do.

[ 11-10-2004, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

[John D Harris]

Welcome to the party Sham, come on in the water's fine

We're pretty much tapped out, conducting an imperialistic pre-emiptive war of naked agression, lead by our hatefilled buffoon oil hunger leader. I guess now is the time for the other non imperialistic brothethood of man we're all in this world together countries to step up to the plate and knock one out of the park. Only problem is in this game the pitcher keeps pitch'n strikes even if the batter hasn't picked up his batt and entered the batters box. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Lucern]

Yep, sounds like a potential just war if there ever was one.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by John D Harris: Welcome to the party Sham, come on in the water's fine

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Originally posted by John D Harris: We're pretty much tapped out, conducting an imperialistic pre-emiptive war of naked agression, lead by our hatefilled buffoon oil hunger leader. I guess now is the time for the other non imperialistic brothethood of man we're all in this world together countries to step up to the plate and knock one out of the park. Only problem is in this game the pitcher keeps pitch'n strikes even if the batter hasn't picked up his batt and entered the batters box. [img]smile.gif[/img]

And I was so resisting the urge to make comments about how this is the kind of thing troops should be doing instead of invading Iraq [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 11-10-2004, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[Stratos]

Well, Sudan has been a well-known haven for terrorists for years. Didn't bin Ladin have terrorists "summer camps" and operated out of Sudan until he moved to Afghanistan?

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Welcome to the party Sham, come on in the water's fine

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Originally posted by John D Harris: We're pretty much tapped out, conducting an imperialistic pre-emiptive war of naked agression, lead by our hatefilled buffoon oil hunger leader. I guess now is the time for the other non imperialistic brothethood of man we're all in this world together countries to step up to the plate and knock one out of the park. Only problem is in this game the pitcher keeps pitch'n strikes even if the batter hasn't picked up his batt and entered the batters box. [img]smile.gif[/img]

And I was so resisting the urge to make comments about how this is the kind of thing troops should be doing instead of invading Iraq [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Don't worry about that Sham, (in the words of the rightwing religious "You and I can sitdown and have comunion on this one". ) I believe this is the exact type of reason we should send troops, I supported sending troops to Iraq because of the torture and other abuses going on there. I said all along SoDamn Insane needed his rear end kicked, no matter what the excuse was, that was OK by me as long as he got his rear end kicked. I support sending troops to each and every country where they are needed, to kickout some 2 bit thug dictator or corupt gov't. I have no problem nation building to free people from tyranny or save people from dying. I do have a problem with nation building for nation building's sake, or tak'n the Lion's share of risk when others are able to do more but don't. That's the problem I had with Kosovo, the western European countries no longer had to worry about the big bear to their east, or shooting war amoung themselves. They more then had to military forces to take out piece of Horse manure Mal-oso-low-vich by themselves. I didn't see the need for the USA to be the single largest contributor, but I'm not paid the big bucks or elected to make those kinds of choices.

[ 11-10-2004, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]