Visit the Ironworks Gaming Website Email the Webmaster Graphics Library Rules and Regulations Help Support Ironworks Forum with a Donation to Keep us Online - We rely totally on Donations from members Donation goal Meter

Ironworks Gaming Radio

Ironworks Gaming Forum

Go Back   Ironworks Gaming Forum > Ironworks Gaming Forums > General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-27-2003, 12:18 PM   #1
MagiK
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
China Orders Halt to Debate On Reforms

By John Pomfret
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, August 27, 2003; Page A01


BEIJING, Aug. 26 -- After several months of permitting China's intellectuals the freedom to call for political reform, ponder far-reaching revisions to the constitution and consider changes in the official history of the Tiananmen Square crackdown, the Communist Party has ordered a halt to such debate, and security personnel have begun harassing leading academics, economists and legal scholars, sources here say.

In the past weeks, party organizations, research institutes and universities have been instructed to stop all conferences and suppress all essays about those three topics, according to sources within the Communist Party. The new instructions spell out these "three unmentionables," while the Propaganda Ministry has informed China's news media that there are additional subjects that can no longer be broached, the sources said.

Participants in a conference on constitutional reform have been followed, interrogated or instructed to stop speaking about the issues. This month, security personnel began trailing and harassing the conference organizer, Cao Siyuan, one of China's experts on bankruptcy and a leading advocate of political reform, Chinese sources said. The conference was held June 19-20 in the coastal city of Qingdao. Two other participants have also faced criticism from the authorities: Jiang Ping, a leading legal scholar and the former dean of the University of Politics and Law, and Zhu Houze, a former propaganda chief for the party.

Separately, in internal meetings over the summer at universities and government institutes, some influential scholars have called for a reevaluation of the official position on the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. They questioned the government's version that the party was right to open fire on students who marched for democracy.

Chinese sources said the number and vociferousness of these demands had worried party officials, especially those close to Jiang Zemin, the former Communist Party boss and president. Jiang rose to power after the Tiananmen crackdown, and any change in the official version would undermine his legitimacy and that of people he placed in power.

More broadly, the effort to muffle debate about the three issues appears to be part of a broader struggle between Jiang and his successor, Hu Jintao, according to the Chinese sources and analysts. Jiang and his allies, the sources said, generally oppose any political loosening. By contrast, Hu has portrayed himself as a friend of reformers and other progressives, attempting to gain their support in his struggle against Jiang.

Hu was appointed general secretary of the Communist Party last November and became China's president in March. He had waited for more than a decade to succeed Jiang, 76. But on the Standing Committee of the Politburo, the party's most powerful body, Jiang surrounded Hu with his old allies. Of the nine members of the Politburo's Standing Committee, five are believed to be loyal to Jiang. The former leader kept for himself one of China's most powerful positions, head of the Central Military Commission, which controls the army. His men also took prominent positions on the State Council, the cabinet, in a move to hamstring Hu's main ally, Premier Wen Jiabao.

This spring, both sides attempted to use the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, to their advantage. Jiang and his supporters followed the party's traditional tactic: denying there was a crisis. However, by late April, Hu and Wen teamed up to force the party to cooperate with the World Health Organization and fight the disease. Hu and Wen also fired the health minister, a Jiang loyalist, and the newly appointed mayor of Beijing.

Li Fan, a leading political analyst in Beijing, said that by fighting SARS and firing incompetent officials, Hu further consolidated his position as China's new leader. Indeed, throughout China, support for Hu and Wen skyrocketed once the party joined the fight against the disease.

The SARS crisis created a window of opportunity for intellectuals to call for change, a subtle way for them to suggest that Jiang exit China's political stage and leave the country to Hu and Wen.

Li said Hu also won points by doing away with the annual summer meetings of Communist Party leaders at the resort town of Beidaihe and the party's tradition of elaborate send-offs for officials traveling overseas.

Many of the recent calls for change appeared to be a throwback to 1988 and the Third Plenum of the 13th Congress of the Communist Party, when the party general secretary, Zhao Ziyang, advocated political reform and the separation of the party and the government, and direct elections for local union leaders, among other reforms. Zhao was later ousted from his party post after Tiananmen because he opposed the bloody crackdown.

On July 25, the Workers' Daily published a call by Su Liqing, a senior official in China's government-controlled labor union, for direct elections of local union bosses by factory workers. This proposal had not been broached officially since before the Tiananmen crackdown. Also, a group of five senior party elders, including Wan Li, Qiao Shi and Deng Lijun, wrote letters urging Jiang to step down from all his positions. And independent intellectuals began raising the idea of revising the official history of Tiananmen.

Several other articles appeared in Study Times, a Communist Party publication run by the Central Party School. Over the past two months, the periodical has published six pieces advocating political reform. In early June, Seeking Truth, the party's main theoretical publication, ran an article calling for more democracy within the party. On Aug. 3, Study Times published an article urging party committees to stop interfering in the affairs of government departments -- an idea last broached in 1988.

The struggle has also stretched into the news media, which in recent months has been full of conflicting signals.

Following an explosion of ground-breaking reports during the SARS epidemic, the Propaganda Ministry, led by a Jiang loyalist, Liu Yunshan, has issued a series of circulars banning reports on a variety of topics.

At the same time, Liu's ostensible boss, Li Changchun, a member of the Politburo's Standing Committee, has been pushing a major reorganization of the state-run press that will result in the shuttering of scores of party newspapers and end the practice of forcing government units to subscribe to party newspapers. This reorganization, triggered by the increasing power of the Chinese media market, means that many party newspapers that previously enjoyed guaranteed circulation will have to compete to attract readers.

At the Qingdao conference, 41 leading Chinese academics and a few government officials presented papers on constitutional reform. China is planning to revise its constitution next year. Wu Bangguo, the chairman of the National People's Congress, is chairing a special committee on the issue. Chinese sources close to that committee said there are two main additions to the constitution being debated.

One is a clause protecting private property, another sign of the increasing power of the market economy in China. The other is a clause enshrining the "Three Represents," a modification of Marxist theory developed by Jiang that says the Communist Party should represent the interests of all the people, including businesses, rather than just the working class.

Writing the Three Represents into the constitution is significant because it will secure Jiang's legacy and give Jiang a status almost equivalent to Communist China's two other towering figures, Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping. This is important to Jiang's allies because, with their former boss a recognized "great man" of China, their current positions would be more secure.

But at the Qingdao meeting, conference organizer Cao and others lambasted Jiang's efforts to write himself into the constitution. Cao issued a statement saying the constitution should be free from all ideology -- a direct slap at Jiang.

"He might have gone too far," said one participant, who has been followed by security agents for several weeks. "But we all agreed with him."


© 2003 The Washington Post Company
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2003, 12:58 PM   #2
Djinn Raffo
Ra
 

Join Date: March 11, 2001
Location: Ant Hill
Age: 50
Posts: 2,397
Well it sounds like as if the old hardliners are starting to lose their grips and as time goes on and reformers like Hu gain more power the right things are starting to happen in China.
Djinn Raffo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2003, 09:54 AM   #3
wellard
Dracolisk
 

Join Date: November 1, 2002
Location: Australia ..... G\'day!
Posts: 6,123
Hmmmmmm

Just what the world needs, a billion more people saying "what about me"? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

The overveiw that I am getting is that they are trying to allow people to dabble in discusion and free speach but they are determined to show where the line is drawn and that they are not being weak like USSR 1989.
__________________


fossils - natures way of laughing at creationists for over 3 billion years
wellard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2003, 10:22 AM   #4
Timber Loftis
40th Level Warrior
 

Join Date: July 11, 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 11,916
Quote:
Chinese sources close to that committee said there are two main additions to the constitution being debated.

One is a clause protecting private property, another sign of the increasing power of the market economy in China. The other is a clause enshrining the "Three Represents," a modification of Marxist theory developed by Jiang that says the Communist Party should represent the interests of all the people, including businesses, rather than just the working class.
This is a very fundamental change being considered. It contains two parts. I say the first is good/marginal and the second is bad for China.

Respecting private property may not be good given China's social structure. Right now, the principles mean each Chinese citizen gets the minimum they need, but that private property they have acquired outside of the minimum needs are sort of like "extras." So, let's say on the collective you and several coworkers get money together by saving and buy an "extra" treat of some sort -- it could be a motorcycle to ride around, a car, or a piece of land from which you will reap the profits for yourselves. Then a hurricane comes along and destroys most things in the collective, including houses and this "extra" (in the case of land, think of destroyed crops & flooded fields). Well, you get back, as does everyone, your homes, etc. (your NEEDS). However, you do not get your "extra" replaced. It was beyond your minimum needs, and acquiring it was "treating yourself." It was an "extra" and as for its passing, se la vie.

This example works the same if another person destroys your home and your "extra." You can sue for the home, but you can only sue for the "extra" to the point that you can recover from the wrongdoer's "extras" -- you can't dip into the wrongdoers minimum needs to satisfy your loss of your "extra" property.

Were private property rights granted, this would change. Which would have far-reaching social implications for China. Having a right to more than your minimum basic needs would be very earthshaking. However, it could be good, too. I could go into how (encourage investment and consumerism, etc.) but as most forum members are good capitalists, I'm sure you don't need me to.

The second one is the bad one. Having the government represent business is also earthshaking in China, and moreover is one of the big failings of our own capitalist governments. Microsoft and Coca Cola don't need the state department battling for them at the WTO. They don't need Senators lobbying for bills to help them. Halliburton doesn't NEED an $8 billion dollar contract to rebuild Iraq. This is the dark side of the American system, and China doesn't need it.

Peanut gallery: "But what about investment and the jobs businesses create, Timber, surely you're not saying those are bad."

No, I'm not. I'm just saying there is plenty of incentive for businesses to grow and thrive without the government's help. The profit margin is there, without the governmental cheerleader/paper pusher helping increase the margin. Businesses aren't protected by the Chinese government at present, yet it is growing by leaps and bounds. Even under the threat that the state may one day suddenly nationalize its holdings or under the threat that an accidental loss goes without recompensation (see my example above), US companies still flock to China. Think about your typical Nike/Disney Chinese sweatshop, and tell me it needs the government on its side fighting for it.

Wow, that turned into a [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img] didn't it? Ooooops. Teehee.
__________________
Timber Loftis is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NWN 2 article Knightscape Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2 Also SoU & HotU Forum 8 04-30-2006 11:22 PM
An Interesting Article... Arvon General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) 4 10-27-2004 12:19 AM
An Intersting article pritchke General Discussion 1 04-02-2003 03:24 PM
No, you can't use your own name..... (article) Charean General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) 4 11-14-2002 10:37 PM
read this article, lol. 250 General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) 9 03-16-2001 09:45 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©2024 Ironworks Gaming & ©2024 The Great Escape Studios TM - All Rights Reserved