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Originally posted by The Hierophant:
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Originally posted by johnny:
Well, didn't we ALL create Israel to begin with ? They were not welcome anywhere, so they moved overthere. They weren't welcome there too, except this time they fought back. And now you call THEM fascists ? That's a hoot in a holler.
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Well, for all intents and purposes the Israeli government is fascist. You can have a fascist democracy. Fascism just involves society being held together by a highly authoritarian, centralised military hierarchy, which fits Israel to a tee. Not that this is necessarily bad, I think 'fascism' is more a modern day anti-authoritarian hotword than anything else.
There are no saints in this conflict, that's pretty much a given. [/QUOTE]According the the American Heritage Dictionary, fascism is desribed as:
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism while a dictator is merely:
One who dictates; one who prescribes rules and maxims authoritatively for the direction of others.
I chose the term carefully.
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Originally posted by johnny:
Then a "fascist state of Israel" is created by the Arabs themselves. Don't forget that the Israeli's were NOT the agressors here. From day 1 they had to fight off attacks from several Arab nations, sometimes even combined Arab forces. If they hadn't organized their militairy so well, there wouldn't be a single Israeli alive today.
I think the Arabs got a little more than what they had bargained for.
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Historical revisionism is a rather tired tactic. You know as well as I do that the Arabs didn't start this mess, the UN did. As a result, they attacked Israel once and once only in 1948. After that:,
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started two conflicts (launching the first strike!) in 1956 and 1967 (and the refusal to return illegally occupied land in the '67 war led to the next conflict in '73.
Nine years and , Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982....
And you're right - the Arabs did get more than they bargained for - because they never bargained for an extremely belligerent state on their borders which is hell bent on stealing their land and resources. They weren't even allowed to take part in the discussion, never mind bargain - hence the reason for the 1948 war.
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Originally posted by johnny:
Both sides claim Jeruzalem as their own. They won't share, that's the big problem here.
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They were sharing - then Israel suddenly claimed Jerusalem for its own and named it the capital of Israel!
[ 09-21-2003, 08:05 AM: Message edited by: Skunk ]