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ryu 01-22-2002 03:55 PM

'IF' we try thinking logically, casting 'light' spell should make you more visible as a contradiction to 'chameleon' spell; or 'light' only sort of improves caster's vision?
anyways it is hard to find out , as chameleon seems to be working for longer ranges only and i did not think of the way to check the thing out;

vesselle 01-22-2002 04:10 PM

~~ryu~~

it acts just like it would IRL. it makes it easier for you to see around you, esp in a dark place (dungeons, outside at night), and it makes you a beacon for monsters. they see the light and think ::in a growly, rumbly tumbly monster voice:: "F-O-O-D!!".

in my games, "light" is something i never use, except for building up my fire realm. and i always cast the last one at a "one bubble" level, then sleep that off.

in fact i did the retro-dungeon in the dark. yes ::big smile:: completely without any "light" on the subject.

it acts like a mini-hypnotic lure and draws critters out that might normally hide from you! in other words, it's a big fat red X telling everything in a screen's radius that you are there and prolly extremely tasty, too. :D


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Nightowl2 01-23-2002 01:08 AM

Never had a problem with light & chameleon at the same time. I routinely have light cast at max power level with chameleon (at lower levels), and am able to avoid most critters with little trouble.

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ryu 01-23-2002 03:37 PM

cough cough... maybe a couple minutes w/out 'light' while playing wiz8..
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Kayless 01-24-2002 07:53 AM

There was only one place where I really noticed that light seemed to wipe out the good that a hiding spell did and that was with Nessie.
In some places it's too dark for me to see without using light. Anyhow, those fights help a lot with experience points...
Kayless

KraGorn 01-24-2002 03:08 PM

Have to say that personally I've never found chameleon did a thing.

For instance, in the swamp when you round the corner and meet the Rayjin guarding the ... well, don't want to give too many spoilers ;) ... then even with chameleon on they spot me the moment they come into view and at that point they're only just in "long" range.

Tennessee Ernie Ford 01-25-2002 01:19 AM

I never noticed that Light attracted more monsters than no-light.
And chameleon does pretty well.

But there's plenty of factors
  • caster level (for Chameleon)
  • monster level
  • monster distance
  • ambient conditions

There are places where it ain't gonna do you no good to have chameleon, but not many. I use it mostly to get closer to monsters before I attack (or further, depending) and also to avoid combat when i just wanna travel.

The Bayjin cave-guard party can be sneak-attacked. You have to come from down hill and begin the attack before they can see you. You can get a bit closer w/chameleon, but these guys can sense you via your brainwaves, so it doesn't matter if you blend in to the surroundings.

ryu 01-25-2002 01:40 PM

monsters must have value of perception, the higher monster level, the higher level; f.e. some bats can be dodged from quite short distance, but nesse seems to be very sensitive;
anyways, i decided that light is no use for me as i can always adjust ingame game brightness + adjust monitor hehe;
light should also logically help with rangers ability detect secrets, but never noticed such a thing;


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