A long running argument and also one which is running in my tiny forum, Who is better?

The great wise graceful wonderous elves
OR
Short stumpy smelly midgets?

Elves are better of course! Stupid question that, EVERYONE knows there better, and those who prefer dwarves, probably do because they have paralells with themselves, ie; dwarves drink too much, they smell of ale and urine. They're foul mouthed, ugly, short, smelly, have matted beards, are short, smelly... and drink too much. [img]tongue.gif[/img] They live in holes deep underground, and can't appreciate grace or beauty [img]tongue.gif[/img] hehe. smelly stunties. did I mention they smell? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Elves on the other hand are graceful and deadly, and are far better then humans, dwarves, in fact any other race save dragons... I could write how great elves are, but'd make all of the humans (me included) on the fourmn jealous [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

Exactly, Elves are far better then dwarves.

I have to disagree with you guys. I think dwarves are better. I don't really know why but i've always liked dwarves better than elves.

There very different but I like both. You should have made an option to say you liked both. In the end I went for elves purely because I'm playing one in Baldur's Gate at the moment and it's fun.

Honestly, I don't know which one is better. But since I like elves more than dwarwes, I voted for the elves.

LOL! This debate has been going one for eons. I remeber a similar debate on Gamespy. Fortunately I saved the conversation (I had to change the pics since the webhost is no longer hosting them but the essence is there).
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Fargo: It's all about the Dwarves.

shaithis: That's right, Dwarves. None of these pansy-assed elven nature-god whiny magical bitches. Real fighters eat gravel for breakfast and hate the sun, as I do.

Fargo: This is unprecedented in GameSpy Grudge history. The two of us agree. We're going to need to bring in a third voice to augment the discussion. Ladies and gentlemen we present Kindrak, resident GameSpy Artist. Kindrak, isn't it true that you're a fan of elves?

Kindrak: That is correct.

shaithis: And isn't it also true that you're a wussy veggie-eating granolla California green party raver whack job?

Kindrak: What's that got to do with elves?

shaithis: Everything, if I was running the country. How is some tree-huggin' Spockalike gonna withstand the crushing fury of my big axe, or a hammer the size of a flatbed towtruck?

Kindrak: Look, those dirty rockbangers cannot hope to understand the glorious beauty of all things Elven. They will be awestruck at the shimmering citadels that house our armies. They will not be able to comprehend the beautiful, shifting hues and shapes of our Magicks... mainly because those magicks will have burnt their eyeballs from their sockets. The dwarves, with their steam, and coal, and dirt, stand no chance! They're barbarians!

shaithis: I'll show you barbarian...

[shaithis picks up his keyboard, Fargo restrains him]

Fargo: I think what shaithis is getting at is that there are many presentations of elves, and often these presentations are what many in the artistic community would designate as "froo froo." For instance, there are three basic types of Elves: You have your serious immortal Tolkien-types with the pointy ears and the bows, you have your hot chick elves who don't wear any clothes, and you have your cookie-making Santa-sicophanting pointy-shoed jingle-belling wussy elves. Like so:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/EP..._C1_Ranger.jpg

shaithis: Exactly. We're just saying, two out of three elves can't handle the fury of the mighty dwarf, particularly when he's loaded. Look at how Dwarves are always portrayed: Short, angry, helmeted, and swinging big heavy things at anyone who smacks of Martha Stewart.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/EP...C1_fighter.jpg

Kindrak: I see. So then ... how do you explain THIS?

http://www.filmsite.org/posters/snow5.gif

shaithis: GAH!

Fargo: Kindrak what the hell is that?

Kindrak: What do you mean, what is that? It's ... It's Snow White and the Seven Dwarves! You've never seen it?

shaithis: They're wearing diaphragms on their heads!

Fargo: Kindrak what kind of sick adult bookstore did you dredge this from?

Kindrak: You're kidding me. It's a Disney classic. See, Snow White is this beautiful girl who the wicked Queen sends into the forest to be killed but she escapes and these seven Dwarves hide her, until she eats a poison apple and a Prince rescues her. Then they live happily ever after.

shaithis: That's disgusting. BRING ME MY HAMMER!

Fargo: Kindrak, your Froo Froo fairy tales have absolutely no bearing on reality.

shaithis: I MUST SMITE ... SOMETHING!

[ 09-14-2002, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: Rimjaw ]

HAHAHHAHHAHAH.... thats great. Those "faery" tale elves have no meaning whatsoever... niether do those dwarves, they're a disgrace to all that is elven, (and er dwarven) bah! Santas elves?! pffft! burn em! burn em all! erm... (drow side of me coming out...) FLAY THEM! and teh dwarves! let em work in their mines, with their stinky sweak soaked rags that they call clothes. Mwhahaha. We elves are better then any other race. We are more power magic wise, we are more skilled in weaponary and... we have better wine. You filthy dirt diggers drink crude ale! bah! no class, no taste. (erm so I went over the top... who cares [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

The Elves is what i like becuse of their distant bow atack! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

The elves by a long shot. The are far better and their abilities are superior to dwarves.

Er, I think you`re going a bit too far. While i also voted for elves(Elves are
cool! Especially Drow!!), Dwarves are cool too.

Where`d you get the idea that Dwarves smell of urine?

They *can* appreciate grace and beauty. They are excellent at making armour and weapons out of iron and they are more 'deadly' than elves in melee combat.

Dwarves drink too much?? No, they drink ALOT but there`s no such thing as 'too' much.

Personally, i like the big Dwarven beards. Have you seen any pics of a Dwarven Berserker? He has such a cool beard!

Plus, Dwarves have a fine voice. Their Scottish accent rules ;) !

Now, lets talk about the Elves minuses.. well, i sure can`t find much flaws in them, since they`re a near-perfect race.. except..
A) Male elves look so damn feminate sometimes!
B) K, this is something i like but most don`t - They are a very racist race.

On topic .. elves are better...

Offtopic ... Rimjaw those are very nice pics. But when I follow the url from the properties i can't seem to find the galleries where they came from. do u have that Url for me ..

Thnkx

And where do the finest of ores,and jewels come from? Without the dwarves the elves would be running aroung in wooden armor. Would you be happy dealing with humans for gold and silver, if lucky maybe a little platum? Yuck.You want Mithril,and large enchantable jewels.Now just tell me again who are the smiths of the highest quality to refine and work those materals for you?You elves may fight to tame some spirits of the forrest on occasion but I would anyday trade that fate against fighting and controlling the many deamons,devils,and elementals of fire, earth and lava we face daily.We fight the internals of the beast of the world itself while you fight like the fleas on it's back insignificant and easily shaken off. If our women didn't have beards you wouldn't even have to think about this.

Dwarves Rock.

Sure. The link is here. Its actually the artwork for WotC's Epic Level Handbook.

Thnkx Rimjaw .. much appreciated!@

thats kinda my point... dwarves are cheap *cough* slave *cough* labour [img]tongue.gif[/img] good for nothign but diggin... we elves make the best armour, well, some ppl think dwarves do, their wrong [img]tongue.gif[/img] elven chain is light and graceful and refined. lol. AND elves are better. end of discusion ;) in a battle elves would win [img]tongue.gif[/img] elves are better archers then ur stuntie crossbows, elves are better warriors. light, graceful and deadly, compared to clusmy heavy and weidly. we win, so there [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Well it seems Shadow has dragged IW into our debate(this is an argument we have had for months).... and he seems to be winning... but that doesnt mean elves are better. People are just blinded by their so called "beuty" that they dont see that they are just a bunch of panzys who use their reputation to make them seem "superior"! If we pitched a dwarf and an elf agains each other without *any* magic who do you think would win? (if you say elves then you will only re-enforce my opinion that people are dumb enough to think that a race that cant lift an axe could win agains a race that could cut your head off in one swing...)

Dwarves...big axes and body odour. 'nuff said. :D

I prefer elves. I just like the way they're elegant, dexterous, charismatic, beautiful, and at home with nature and the elements. Dwarves are grumpy, short, clumsy, ugly and not easy to get along with. So elves it is ;)

HAHA Dagorion, 17 to elves - 8 to dwarves...
Us elves are seriously wooping some arse right now [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Elves unite against the low and unimportant dwarves, with their filthy beards and stench. For we have only kept them around to mine for us. For we are the great elves and they are the pathetic dwarves.

Well said "bother/cousin" ;) we elves must stick together, teach those filthy dwarves where they belong! with the duager...(cant spell at college [img]tongue.gif[/img] no time ;) ) hehe, stupid dwarves even daring to oppose us ;)

LMAO Rimjaw! :D Honestly I like both elves and dwarves. Nothing like a dwarf to add a bit of personality to a fantasy novel! [img]tongue.gif[/img] . And you have to love the accent. I guess I do like elves a little bit better though.

for people here who hinted that dwarves are stinky, stupid creatures, where did u get this from??? Lord of the Rings (As far as i know, the first fantasy thing ever) protrayed Dwarves as a great race of builders and fighters, who just happen to live underground. of course i voted for elves, but in the end everyone should work together to drive out those evil , evil orcs, then turn on each other.

I like dwarves because they're physically stronger and sometimes have better lines. Sometimes have a weakness for short guys, too.
(Playing "devil's advocate" here, too.)

[ 09-25-2002, 06:02 AM: Message edited by: The Ornery One ]

Why, it's common knowledge the DnD Dwarfs are dirty, smelly rock-eaters. When they leave the mines you can still see pieces of their lunch hanging from their beards, and "hard workers" tend to sweat and smell. You know it makes sense ;)

Indeed, leg ;) besides, who wants to be a short smelly crude ugly... (etc) crearture anyway? much better to be an elf ;) and the guy that said we should gang up on the orcs was right ;) heh...

Yes, we should gang up against the orcs. We shall use our most potent weapon... dwarf throwing :D
And if worst comes to worst we can always send some dwarves streaking [img]redface.gif[/img] that should scare even the most ugly orc running :D

rofl. hey, everyone, come to shadowhounds game in the RP thread ;) http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...;f=18;t=000346 mwhahaha...

I always knew that people liked elves better and I don’t really care, just because people think one race is better doesn’t mean they are. ;)
How about a truce, Shadow, you said *I* started this but it is *you* who has started every thread in ever forum that had anything to do with elves against dwarves so don’t blame all this argument on me. I’m getting tired of this fighting and although I will never change my mind that dwarves are better then elves I still think we should leave these people out of it. Either that or create a different race that is half/half called the Dwalfs. :D
I’m only asking that you stop badmouthing dwarves and I will do the same for elves.
I have no problem with the RP thread though because with those dwarves that are immune to magic I know there is no way for elves to win :D

Had to go with elves... of course... Dwarves suck!

Well, I like both races, but to choose, I went with the female point of view.

Female elf: Stunningly beautiful, slender, scanty clothing, melodic voices, and a body that'll hoo-hah-hodda-wadda-bing-bang!

Female dwarf: Short, rotund, dressed head-to-toe in armor, and with a beard, no less.

Hmmmmmmmm....which one would I go for? ;) :D

-Sazerac

If you take away the armour that almost sounds like someone I know [img]graemlins/jawdrop.gif[/img]

I hope your thinking of who im thinking or ealse im drinking from the wrong bottle...

I'm pretty sure that we are thinking of the same person :D

*Lets out a sigh of relief*