I never thought I would say this about a Star Trek series... but it's damn good... I stayed up late last night and watched half of series 1 and two episodes from series 4... and wow. Some of the acting is bad of course but generally you start to like the characters and some of the episodes are... well exhilaratingly exciting... [img]smile.gif[/img]

I've always hated Star Trek but now it seems I have to rethink that whole idea... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Anyone else like that series... or should I seek counceling... [img]smile.gif[/img]
and do you have any fave episodes?

Voyager is the least favourite of mine because it focuses too much on the characters daily lives. It's kinda soupie. Now the new series, Enterprise is ALL about the universal standings of Earth and they often continue with the main plot line in contrast to Voyager. Well, what's their plotline anyway... Nothing intruiging to say the least.

i prefer voyager .. i guess because the captain is a female and she is more focused on interelationships. of course there is a major plot with some sub-plots with minor sub-sub-plots ;) . ahhh.. i watched every single episode i can find. I was even thinking of buying it.

[ 07-12-2004, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: Harkoliar ]

Voyger is great, but for me Deep Space Nine is best. The main difference is that in DS9 there are more colorful characters and the interrelations are a bit more omplicated. Oh, and a person born one year doesn't age 9 years before her first birthday(Naomi from Voyager). Plus DS9 has more massive space fights, something rarely seen in Voyager. Take this from a trekkie, if you liked Voyager you should love Deep Space Nine.

<font face="Verdana" size="3" color="#00FF00">I am not a Star Trek fan either but really enjoyed the Voyager series. Most hard core fans seem to dislike it for whatever reasons. It seems that those who are not hugh fans of Star Trek enjoy Voyager much more for whatever reasons.</font>

[ 07-12-2004, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

i think the reason is because voyager was marketed to the people who didnt like the other star trek series like picard and enterprise.. my guess though.

i do like a few of enterprise and deep space nine episodes. I never get to see huge battles in space with voyager. :(

Voyager is a soap opera set on a spaceship...

DS9 is a soap opera set on a space station...

It's really just a little balance shift: the old series was sci-fi with a sprinkling of sexy chicks and sometimes a bit of character development. The new series are character and relationship development with a sprinkling of sci-fi.

Although I tried to catch all the Voyager series as much as I could, I didn't actually like it a lot. Some of the episodes are somewhat dull in a way. But I do like it more than TNG.

Overall, I still prefers Enterprise as it is more focused on explorations and the difficulties of the crews on their journeys because they have very little to begin with and they aren't that "invulnerable" to attacks and etc. Also, Enterprise uses less techical mumbo-jumbo like TNG or Voyager.

jesus ■■■■■■■ christ, star trek is retarded.

Watch your language man! Such an attitude could do more harm than good. Even if you do not agree with our taste, you don't have to spoil the thread by using foul language. :mad:

[ 07-13-2004, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Paladin2000 ]

I found Voyager to have the most potential of all Trek and, IMO, failed far too often. Every week it was techno babble peppered with "this week's new alien" encounter. Too many regulars were two-dimensional. This was Berman's and Braga's baby...

As I see it, Enterprise was the best... At least, the best made. Its subject matter was topically fresh, going into philosophical explorations and complex figuratives quite regularly.

Not to mention it had Patrick Stewart, whose performance was always top-notch.

ok, i likd the voyager and the next generation, as well as the original series, that i as an old man grew up watching, but i have yet to see patric stewart in enterprise as it is set about 400 years prior to his characters birth and the setting for tng.. all the series were ok i cannot call anything truely exceptional but the original was years ahead of its time.

ALL HAIL GENE RODDENBERRY>>>>>>>> :D

[ 07-13-2004, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: coyote696 ]

TyranyuZ, watch your language and your attitude. You'll be going on an enforced holiday if it continues. We don't want gutter talk in here.

What is enforced holiday?

Being banned for a month or two.

You talk like that again, and you will be banned from Ironworks.
Star Trek is cool! But ENTERPRISE is kinda boring though..

It means, [img]graemlins/choc.gif[/img] , my cat will lay MAJOR smackdown v2.0 on yer ass.

I recently just started watching the Startreck: Voyager series... I used to watch Startreck: Enterprise as well.

For all of you out there who aren't much of a Star Treck fanatic... the difference between the two shows is that Enterprise is set 300 or so years or so before Voyager.
In the Enterprise series it is the beginning of space travel and meeting new species, also after 6 or so episodes into the seasons humans meet the Cyborgs for the first time.
While with Voyager people are still exploring but have made friends with many species and are at constant war with the cyborgs.

OK, to clarify things, Star Trek Enterprise with captain Jonathan Archer, also called ENT, is the newest show, set in 2160, and IMHO the worst. Picard's series is The Next Generation, aka TNG and it was set somewhere around 2360. That one was cool. Before that there was TOS, The Original Series(2250-65) with James Tiberius Kirk in the captains chair, and the two-episode pilot with captain Christopher Pike. VOY is Voyager(2368), who's captain was Kathryn Janeway. DS9 is Deep Space Nine, set cca 2365 and it's captain(in the first few seasons commander) is Benjamin Sisko. It's my favorite show so far.
The thing I hate about ENT is that they keep rewriting history. Like the contack with Borg Lauren mentioned. They made first contact in an episode "Q Who?" in TNG, and then nothing untill the double episode "The Best of Both Worlds" and the battle of Wolf 359 where the Federation's Seventh Fleet was decimated. But, suddenly Archer meets the Borg in eason 3 or 4 and voila, contact. Why was that needed? Some things also don't make sense in ENT, and the whole series has an air of badness for me.

[ 07-16-2004, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Bozos of Bones ]

you're thinking TNG

what is so special about star trek ??
its so boring, bad story, bad actors its yust bad.

they started making it in the 70's

as people most say, star trek are for nerds, i am not agree with that one, but how can you watch it ??

Calling the Admin and people that enjoy a TV Show 'nerds' lol? We don't need people like you around, name calling buddy. Grow up, and drop the childish antics.

[ 07-26-2004, 06:06 PM: Message edited by: Ziroc ]

Death to the unbelievers!

I'm a Star Wars person, which probably influenced me (note: I became an SW fan around the time the borg storyling was going on with TNG)...

I have to say, though, that I would probably enjoy the original series if I watched it, and I loved TNG (by golly, they actually used the bridge in that show!) but DS9 always seemed a little too much to me...so did VOY, which practically never visited the bridge (what I saw of it)...that's discouraged me from watching ENT, partially because I know that they're going to try to make the show "hip," and partially because I'm not that confident in a new set of writers.

I didn't care much for Enterprise at first. Most of the cast got on my nerves. Especially Tucker and Archer seemed a bit over the top (Malcolm is the man though. He's got about as many allergy's as he's got girlfriends back home ;) ). After having seen the first two seasons though, I've pretty much grown to like most the characters. Plus, the presence of an actual plot in season 3 (the war with the Xindi) is a nice touch. So as long as they stay well clear of time travel I am quite content. Of course, it still doesn't measure up to Deep Space Nine. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Man this is an exciting topic, 2 trolls posted in it before they got banned... [img]smile.gif[/img]
where they maybe the same person?

Anyway, I was a Star Wars fan too, until Gungans, Midichlorians and Greedo shot first, and basicly ST was always boring to me, not exciting at all. I remember seeing DS9 on tv once and though I would scream of boredom...
I guess I'm growing up it seems... [img]smile.gif[/img]

I simply love the ending of series 3 and beginning of series 4 of Voyager where 7 of 9 first shows up. Can anyone tell me in what series/show the Borg first show up?

[ 07-26-2004, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: Jorath Calar ]

Meh, I can't even remember when was the first contact with the borg, but I think it in one of the TNG episodes. Now that ENT has encountered the borg, they will have to rewrite ST history all over again.It seems that the producers are just as fickle minded as old George Lucas. :(

First Contact with the Borg was the NG episode where Q send Picard to the other side of the Galaxy [img]smile.gif[/img]

The one I mnetioned on the mid-to-end of page one, 'Q Who', where the Q and the Borg first show up. It's about the first time Picard begged anyone for anything.

Actually having ENT encounter them was just wrapping up a loose end from the movie First Contact, and setting the events that would create that movie into motion (the borg getting the coordinates for Earth)

I agree that having the borg meet the ENT crew is making them have to rewright the whole history of star treck. "First Contact" was based on the borg having time travel capabilities and discovering the location of earth and trying to ensure that the first contact with the vulcans never occured therefore causing the war with the borg to go differently and causing earth to be assimilated prior to the war starting. this new twist causes a major change in ST history and makes the movies obsolite, because the war would have been fullyn involved or completed by the time the war with the Klingon empire started in the first movie. if this were true then all the other series are out of time line too.

*shrugs*
They've messed up the Enterprise timeline so often (every major plot being deeply rooted in time travelling), that I wouldn't be surprised if they are going to introduce a giant reset button in its final episode.

It's also well known that the creators aren't fond of tOS, and that ENT is their attempt to write Kirk out of continuity.

That is EXACTLY what I think they will do. [img]smile.gif[/img] The need to hire the Deep Space Nine writers. But they just don't have much to work with IMO. :( The Xindi Arc was better than the other seasons, but I dunno. DS9 is the only series I am buying on DVD--and I only own 1 season because it's freaking $109 a season. (I got it for Christmas! [img]smile.gif[/img] )

If you wait a couple years, it should go down in price.

DS9, even now that I don't like Star Trek, is something I could still watch. Enterprise ruined my Star Trek fanatacism. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

What, you mean like history up until the point where they set off is gone?

The only thing that is really really good about ENT is the theme song. *duck and hide* [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And the ship itself! After that it drops off a cliff of doom. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I don't know who is writing those scripts, but they need to fire them or something... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Theme song is ga..dumb.... ;) IMO!

Also, the ship? lol, that is based SO much on the Akira class ship from DS9/First Contact. It's a cool shape--catamaran style.

BTW, I made loads of 3D trek Ships a few years ago--my site is even a 'Hot' site in the Trekkers guide to the Internet and they have a screenshot of this page:

http://www.tgeweb.com/trek/3dships/index.htm

(If you see what LOOKS like an error, hit refresh)