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UAI is a wonderful tool...

I'm not really down on Enchanters, but it's my opinion that they just aren't as useful as a straight Mage, at least not unless you've got <u>another</u> Mage to do the mopping-up. Sure, an Enchanter can neutralize whole rooms full of enemies, but actually killing them is another matter. Yes, they've got Abi-Dalzim's, but do you really want to toss an ABHW where a Fireball would do just as well? And they don't even have two of the very best disabling spells in the book: Stinking Cloud and Web. No Cloudkill, no Death Fog, no Mordenkainen's Sword--and no Contingencies or Sequencers.

I must admit that I have been remiss in not checking to see if Specialist Mages can use Wands that cast spells forbidden to their School.

If you want a real challenge, then do the game ironman (roll only once for your stats regardless of class, solo, and no reloads). I tried it just on a whim and it is a LOT harder than imagined!

Hey, I am doing this custom party:

Fighter - STR 18 DEX 9 CON 9 INT 9 WIS 9 CHA 9

Thief - STR 9 DEX 18 CON 9 INT 9 WIS 9 CHA 9

Barbarian - STR 9 DEX 9 CON 18 INT 9 WIS 9 CHA 9

Mage - STR 9 DEX 9 CON 9 INT 18 WIS 9 CHA 9

Cleric - STR 9 DEX 9 CON 9 INT 9 WIS 18 CHA 9

Sorcerer - STR 9 DEX 9 CON 9 INT 9 WIS 9 CHA 18 (this is also the Bhaalspawn).

Should be fun.

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Originally posted by Indemaijinj:
Should be fun

I think "challenging" is correct word. at least until you get certain equipment

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Originally posted by Luvian:
It's possible never to level up, just don't you the "level up" button, and what he probably meant was create a sorcerer with minimum possible stats in everything. ;)

<span style="color: lightblue">Not Sorcerer. *MAGE*. Stats mean almost nothing to a Sorc. But a *mage*... low Int means no level 9 spells, means no Time Stop, means no Improved Alacrity, means no Wish, means no Planetars, and you spend a looonngg time in mazes... and, ofcourse, there's those Mind Flayers.
Low Con means even *WORSE* hitpoints. Low dex means bad AC. Low strength means you can't carry anything, and you can't hit anything. Low Cha means things cost alot.

No girdle means you can't fix Strength or Constitution.
No ring or cloak means you can't fix Charisma.
And since your spellbook can fill up (and will), I'm not gonna see you knowing Friends...

You can still fix your AC from you Dex penalty,but you'll have alot of trouble using any weapon - Str and Dex - and so you'll have a bit of trouble getting the Staff of the Magi.

Now, lets make this even harder still. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]
No Armour.
Bracers of Binding.
Everything of the tactics mod.
No Ease of Use, or Item Upgrade.
SNR on Insane.

<span style="color: silver">EDIT: Undead Hunter. Well, their bonuses aren't something you wouldn't get from items anyway. And those items have other bonuses that will make you not ignore them, registering the Undead Hunter's bonuses redundant.

[ 06-04-2003, 05:57 AM: Message edited by: LennonCook ]