Ironworks Gaming Forum - US President Elections:BushvsKerry

Ironworks Gaming Forum (http://www.ironworksforum.com/forum/index.php)

- General Discussion (http://www.ironworksforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36)

- - US President Elections:BushvsKerry (http://www.ironworksforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77179)

Ok after looking at the second link which did work, thanks Stratos ;)

Here's what I came up with based on the numbers and info provided by that link.
2002 numbers listed in this order:

Country Unemployement GDP Purchasing Parity Growth rate Inflation

USA 5.8% $10.4 trillion $37,000 2.45% 1.6%

Austria 4.8% $.226 T $27,700 .6% 1.8%

Belgium 7.2% $.2976 T$29,000 .6% 1.7%

Denmark 5.1% $.1555 T $29,000 1.8% 2.3%

France 9.1% $1.54 T $25,700 1% 1.8%

Greece 10.3% $.201 T $19,000 3.5% 3.6%

Germany 9.8% $2.18 T $26,600 .4% 1.3%

Ireland 4.3% $.1185 T $30,500 5.2% 3.7%

Italy 9.1% $1.438 T $25,000 .8% 3.7%

Netherlands 3% $.434 T $26,900 .3% 3.4%

Portugal 4.7% $.182 T $18,000 .8% 3.7%

Spain 11.3% $.828 T $20,700 2% 3%

Sweden 4% $.2274 T $25,400 1.8% 2.2%

UK5.2% $1.5 T $25,300 1% 1.8%

Now for the GDP I added all the listed Non USA countries together they have an approximatly the same population total. Grand total of GDP is drum roll please......
........... $9.3514 Tminus Canada
With Canada added in just for good measure, to show you what a nice guy I am I won't count that red as a 1 point. ;)
$10.2834 T

Now
Canada 7.6% $.932T $29,400 .8% 3.7%

I asked about more then just the unemployement number gab, I also asked about, growth, inflation, medium income and GDP IIRC. since the link you provided did not have medium income I used the Purchasing parity per capitia avg., if I read it right it means how much you can get with what you get paid(income). And since in this world the vast majority of people judge their success by what they have or can buy I believe it in fact works better than medium income.

Now this is how we score this little game: green is 1 point for you, red 1 point for me.

Edit: to fix Ireland to correctly show they has 2 greens
Edit: to fix Austria to correctly show they have3 reds

[ 08-05-2004, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

Well, I gotta say -- that's one helluva effort. Way to argue, John D.

Quote:

Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Well, I gotta say -- that's one helluva effort. Way to argue, John D.

Well T.L. there is a madness to my method ;)

How old are above statistics? Unemployement in The Netherlands has been well over 4% since 2003.

Quote:

Originally posted by Dreamer128:
How old are above statistics? Unemployement in The Netherlands has been well over 4% since 2003.

The stats were for 2002 as per the latest stats on the link provided by gab.

Now about the 1.6 million unemployed not counted any more. 504,000 Are discourged workers who have quit looking for jobs. 1.1 million are workers who for reasons OTHER then discourgement have quit looking for jobs. ie: Family, school,etc. responsiblities. Fully twice the number of people are not looking for jobs for reasons other then dicouragement. source this link http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf (page3)
if that doesn't work go to http://stats.bls.gov and scroll down to find the link on that page, to the press release.
as per the same link you will find total employement rose in the month of July alone by 629,000 jobs a full 125,000 jobs more then the discouraged workers number. Civilian workers rose by 577,000 a full 71,000 more then the dicouraged number.
These are the numbers from the Gov't that everybody bases their numbers on. Be very wary of numbers thrown out by one side or the other.

I'm going to count up the current votes, because of all of the debating will everyone please post their vote ONLY.

Quote:

Originally posted by Keal:
I'm going to count up the current votes, because of all of the debating will everyone please post their vote ONLY.

Wether you have already posted it or not, everyone must put either Bush, Kerry, or Nader until I count them up.

Let's add some interesting numbers to your JohnD ;)
My information comes from www.cia.gov (The World Factbook)

Country
-Unemployement
-GDP/capita
-Population below poverty line
-Literacy

USA
-6.2%
-$37,800
-12%
-97%

Austria
-4.3%
-$30,000
-3.9%
-98%

Belgium
-8.1%
-$29,000
-4%
-98%

Canada
-7.7%
-$29,700
-NA%
-97%

Denmark
-6%
-$31,200
-NA%
-100%

France
-9.6%
-$27,500
-6.5%
-99%

Greece
-9.8%
-$19,900
-NA%
-97.5%

Germany
-10.7%
-$27,600
-NA%
-99%

Ireland
-5%
-$29,800
-10%
-98%

Italy
-9.2%
-$26,800
-NA%
-98.6%

Netherlands
-4.2%
-$28,600
-NA%
-99%

Portugal
-6%
-$18,000
-NA%
-93.3%

Spain
-11.7%
-$22,000
-NA%
-97.9%

Sweden
-4.6%
-$26,800
-NA%
-99%

UK
-5.1%
-$27,700
-17%
-99%

What I find mind-boggling is that although the US have the second-highest GPD/capita (after Luxembourg) in the whole world most of the other Western countries (in this list only Portugal is lower) have higher Literacy and (when shown) lower Poverty (the UK are the black sheep here).
The US may be an extremely rich country, but the wealth seems to be not very evenly distributed.
And now for a final Marxist PR stunt ;)

USA
-Unemployement: 6.2%
-GDP/capita: $37,800
-Population below poverty line: 12%
-Literacy : 97%

China
-Unemployement: 10% (urban, rural may be substantially higher)
-GDP/capita: $5000
-Population below poverty line: 10%
-Literacy : 86%

Cuba
-Unemployement: 3.2%
-GDP/capita: $2,800
-Population below poverty line: NA%
-Literacy : 97%

Cuba reaches the same Literacy (and lower Unemplyment) as the US although they have only one thirteenth ! of the United States' GDP
China although having substantially higher unemployment and only 1 eighth of the US' GDP has less people below the poverty line.

So just looking at the numbers you see that the US is definitely the economically most powerful country of the world and that you can in fact strike it really big, but if your on the lower end of US society you may have been better off living in Europe (or Cuba for that matter :D )