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Old 09-23-2001, 05:09 PM   #41
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Skywalker,
We're in the same boat together on that one (12 grades and tech school)! Maybe that is what is needed a couple of "Joes" sitting down over a beer or two and hashing it out from a simple perspective, use the K.I.S.S. method.
Again I apologize if I came off harsh on you earlier. IMHO I have found that you,and others Moridin and G'kar to name two others, that are to my "Left" politcaly. (Let's face it Reagan is to my Left ) Are honest and open and willing to talk and listen, that is all that I ask, I'll meet anyone in the middle.

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Old 09-23-2001, 06:42 PM   #42
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But we're ready to bomb the S*** out of starving children who have never committed a terrorist act in their lives? Come on people!


That's what I am worried about.. I was HOPING they would just send in elite teams to track him, not an entire FLEET...

I have a bad feeling this will set off a much LARGER conflict..

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Old 09-23-2001, 06:48 PM   #43
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THE LORD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES - Proverbs. We're just gonna help those suckas. Think of us as real estate brokers - just your friendly, worldwide real estate agent. We feel their pain, we're just going to help them with their final real estate deal, and buy them their very own piece of real estate, 6 feet under. Really, our intentions are just misunderstood, the jealous mewlings of those who are not so fortunate as to recieve our help in the real estate field. Well, you know how to get it now, don't you?

That is disgusting and vile. Oh well, at least you're honest about where you're coming from.



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Old 09-23-2001, 07:23 PM   #44
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oh crap.... we are so in trouble...
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Old 09-23-2001, 07:33 PM   #45
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Why is a show of military might neccessarily an implied notion of bombing the s*** out of innocents?

Sounds to me like too many people are jumping to conclusions that Afghanastan is going to become nothing more than a hole in the ground!

Does anybody see, that while the government may be against us, most of the people are for us in an 'attack' on Afghanastan. This is one of the poorest most oppressed nations on earth...and yet you make it out like if we take our their government and terrorists hiding in the hills, that they will be worse off I don't get it! We are not going to carpet bomb the place, we are going to rid the world of a few terrorists, an oppresive regime, and hopefully bring peace and prosperity to the true Afghani people


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Old 09-23-2001, 07:44 PM   #46
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That's what I am worried about.. I was HOPING they would just send in elite teams to track him, not an entire FLEET...

I have a bad feeling this will set off a much LARGER conflict..

World War 3, in all likelihood. World War 1 sparked off because of the terrorist assassination of one duke. Battle-lines are already being drawn up. The only reason this is not looking to be a world war yet is because the Taliban have no allies supporting them.
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Old 09-23-2001, 09:06 PM   #47
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Originally posted by Moridin:
Why is a show of military might neccessarily an implied notion of bombing the s*** out of innocents?

Sounds to me like too many people are jumping to conclusions that Afghanastan is going to become nothing more than a hole in the ground!

Does anybody see, that while the government may be against us, most of the people are for us in an 'attack' on Afghanastan. This is one of the poorest most oppressed nations on earth...and yet you make it out like if we take our their government and terrorists hiding in the hills, that they will be worse off I don't get it! We are not going to carpet bomb the place, we are going to rid the world of a few terrorists, an oppresive regime, and hopefully bring peace and prosperity to the true Afghani people
Oh, Moridin, Moridin! Sometimes I wonder about you! I really do! You REALLY think military action is going to bring peace and prosperity to the Afghanis?

Sorry. I wasn't going to say anything else!

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Old 09-23-2001, 09:47 PM   #48
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I was hoping someone would advise me if the ending that I seem to be consistently getting is the correct one. I beat Draak, go back to town, put the Astral Hand on the Monolith, get trapped by the townsfolk, and end of game?? Is this right????
 
Old 09-23-2001, 09:52 PM   #49
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Oh, Moridin, Moridin! Sometimes I wonder about you! I really do! You REALLY think military action is going to bring peace and prosperity to the Afghanis?

Sorry. I wasn't going to say anything else!

They sure as hell won't get any peace and prosperity as they are now Fjlotsdale. You do know there is a war going on there don't you? Does "the northern alliance" ring any bells?



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Old 09-23-2001, 09:53 PM   #50
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John? Remember? 'love your enemies'. 'Vengeance is MINE, I will repay, saith the Lord'
Uh.. Fljotsdale.. hmm.. final judgement is God's in the end, but I don't know anywhere the Good Book says rulers should not punish murderers, thieves, rapists and terrorists who murder innocents. They should be be tried, convicted if guilty and punished. If that is not an option because they would rather fight a war (holy to them) than face Caesar's justice, what remedy is there?

You know I'm not a gung-ho overzealous patriot with delusions of murderous vengeance. Er.. at least I hope so, by now! But I see few alternatives at this point. Sad as that may be.

Cloudy, tossing in her tired two cents worth

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