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Old 09-11-2001, 04:59 PM   #81
Ryanamur
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Originally posted by G'kar:
The bin ladin group has denied responibility...
Your point being??? he's still a terrorist... take him out!


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Old 09-11-2001, 05:01 PM   #82
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So Camp David was almost destroyed because of this plane crashing AWAY from Camp David? LOL@Nachtrafe...now who's tossing around conspiracy theories?


Please read the whole response before making sarcastic comments. I believe I stated that it was on a direct flight path towards Camp David. I also stated that it was reported that way by several major news agencies. This isn't some conspiracy that I pulled out of the ether. It is news being reported by national news agencies.

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Old 09-11-2001, 05:02 PM   #83
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Your point being??? he's still a terrorist... take him out!


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hmm... well the way i see it, he hasnt really dont anything wrong to this point (like killing thousands of people in our own country) so hes not deserving of death... yet. if, however, he allys himself with this unknown group, or attempts to use a terrorist attack on the US, then by all means, kill him ASAP. however, a 'black and white' view is not whats needed here... im with Neb here, send in the elites and snipers. more precision, and prisoners can be taken if so desired...

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Old 09-11-2001, 05:03 PM   #84
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I know that. But you didn't read my post correctly... go after them... if they're having tea at gramma's house, BOOM, no more gramma's house! It's not simple, it's not ethical, it's not done overnight. It's guerrila warfare, it's not pleasant but that's the only way that this war can be won.

The way I see it: if 25 innocent civilian are killed because of a missile attack in Afganistant, that's too bad but it was worth it if you killed the terrorist. Plus, you might also kill other terrorists in the attack. It's sad, it's completely unethical but that's the way it is.

You have to play by there rules if you want to win. As far as they are concerned, civilians are just as an opportunistic target as the speaker of the house (the President of the US is in a different category)
And thats exactly how you get your next generation of terrorists and the people who will help them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT

Start killing innocent civilians and you are as bad as the terrorists, period. You lose all credability, all humanity and invite more attacks on yourself. In the end it just makes matters worses: it might satisfy a blood lust but it ain't right!



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Old 09-11-2001, 05:04 PM   #85
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Your point being??? he's still a terrorist... take him out!


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on another note, Z, I hate flood control... the system can't keep up with me today
My point is in accordance to the speculation going on in this thread, concerning who did this. It has nothing to do with the justice due to evil doers.

 
Old 09-11-2001, 05:05 PM   #86
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Maybe using snipers and small teams of elite soldiers would be just as effective? That way, you can also find such nice things at their camps as papers and reciepts(Maybe not reciepts) proving that they've been funded by some country or another, if they were funded by a country of course, but if such things ARE at their camps, then they would be hard to find after the camp has just been incinerated by 100 gallons of Napalm or 10 cruise missiles.


You won't find s*** at their camp aside from Swiss of Caiman Island bank accounts. Sure sending soldiers in can do the job but then, you have to worry about getting them in and retrieving them...

The beauty of smart weapons is that you can shoot it outside of the borders truly making it impossible to have your own personnel killed.

Another principle: "The aim of war is not to die for your country (or cause)... it's to make the other bastard die for his".

Another great advantage of this approach would be a rejuvinisation of the US economy: more weapon stock being used = more weapons being needed = more jobs!



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Old 09-11-2001, 05:06 PM   #87
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The Air force has been order to "respond" with fighter jets to any "suspicious" flights according to cnn. what could this mean?

Take down any flights that could be detrimental to US interests
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Old 09-11-2001, 05:06 PM   #88
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What do you mean what could this mean? It means that the planes will be escorted by Fighters and will not be permitted to approach places they aren't supposed to...or am I missing some nuance of the words??

Quote:
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The Air force has been order to "respond" with fighter jets to any "suspicious" flights according to cnn. what could this mean?

This isnt a flame, Im just confused as to what you are implying.


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Old 09-11-2001, 05:09 PM   #89
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Originally posted by Ryanamur:
I know that. But you didn't read my post correctly... go after them... if they're having tea at gramma's house, BOOM, no more gramma's house! It's not simple, it's not ethical, it's not done overnight. It's guerrila warfare, it's not pleasant but that's the only way that this war can be won.

The way I see it: if 25 innocent civilian are killed because of a missile attack in Afganistant, that's too bad but it was worth it if you killed the terrorist. Plus, you might also kill other terrorists in the attack. It's sad, it's completely unethical but that's the way it is.

You have to play by there rules if you want to win. As far as they are concerned, civilians are just as an opportunistic target as the speaker of the house (the President of the US is in a different category)
Yes but the killing the 25 innocents will fuel the fires of the Terrorist, then if you kill those who join because of this where will it stop? Terrorisum is something that can never be destoryed, better to let them stay and intrate them, while some bombing have to be let to happen to keep the cover, you can (hopefully) prevent the major ones.
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Old 09-11-2001, 05:10 PM   #90
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Sorry to say that you're thinking in grey... civilians are not part of the equation. You and your objective are all that matters, nothing else is relevant.
(remember, this is war, you have to be cold)

Words that would make any terrorist proud.

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