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Old 11-04-2001, 04:16 AM   #11
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Heh, I always love this debate.
Jahiera is an interesting choice. People either seem to love her or hate her with no in-between. If you get the right gear on her, you can get her armor AC down to -12. The only other NPC whose AC can be lower in my experience is Viconia whom I have gotten to AC -13. Give either of them a belt for strength and good weopons and sheild, and they "Tank" with the best of them. Your character will get hit more than they will [img]smile.gif[/img]



ALL characters except Mages can get AC below 13 in BG2
It's just making sure you give then the goodies
But Jaheira is so freakin useless
She was the one i least liked in BG1 so i always killed her to get khalid
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Old 11-04-2001, 04:25 AM   #12
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Minsc, sure he's a great laugh at ffirst but after playing the game three times with him you dread hearing his voice again, he's a standard fighter in hand to hand but being a ranger he cant compete with Korgan or another certain person who likes his swords big and his armour spiky.
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Old 11-04-2001, 04:34 AM   #13
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When by overrated you mean greatly praised despite having serious disadvanteges I'd say Edwin is overrated. Sure, he has an amazing arsenal of spells, but he's no good at doing anything else.



Ever noticed that Edwin happens to be a Mage? Mages have amazing arsenals of spells and aren't good at much else, something for sorcerers and specialist mages, they aren't tanks, they aren't thieves, they're just guys with tons of spells.
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Old 11-04-2001, 02:20 PM   #14
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With all due respect Rikard, I beg to differ. You and I have both been playing this game a long time. And you can't get all NPC's but Mages AC's down to -12 because I have tried them all with various combinations and they just can't do it due to other magical eqipment. I always play a Kensai now, and the maximum I can get with him is a AC-2 with cloaks, rings and Ioun stone for helm, because he can't wear armor or use a shield.
I can understand if you just hate Jaheira and I respect that. But if equiped right she will out "Tank" any NPC. With a good sling she is excellent at range. She can fire off summon spells before the party egages offering up that much needed cannon fodder. She can Bless, Chant, Aid and Defensive Harmony which has turned the tide in the initial stages of battle many a time. And she can heal if needed during combat and after. She is one of the most useful and versatile NPC's in the game.
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Old 11-06-2001, 07:59 AM   #15
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Minsc with ease. I think hes okay, but not great, Jaheira AND even Viconia have tiwce as many kills as him, hes just not very great (I just use him beacuse thy other alternitves for tanks are Keldorn and 2 paladins is to many, or Korgan and I just hate little migits) People say hes funny But i dont think so I think hes a ranting moronic fool. I also just dont like rangers, theyer abilites dont offset there inability to put 5 stars in weapon spealization.
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Old 11-06-2001, 08:43 AM   #16
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Your main character. He's got a party for a reason. Try soloing from the start and you'll die without any serious preparations or plans.
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Old 11-06-2001, 09:32 AM   #17
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With all due respect Rikard, I beg to differ. You and I have both been playing this game a long time. And you can't get all NPC's but Mages AC's down to -12 because I have tried them all with various combinations and they just can't do it due to other magical eqipment. I always play a Kensai now, and the maximum I can get with him is a AC-2 with cloaks, rings and Ioun stone for helm, because he can't wear armor or use a shield.
I can understand if you just hate Jaheira and I respect that. But if equiped right she will out "Tank" any NPC. With a good sling she is excellent at range. She can fire off summon spells before the party egages offering up that much needed cannon fodder. She can Bless, Chant, Aid and Defensive Harmony which has turned the tide in the initial stages of battle many a time. And she can heal if needed during combat and after. She is one of the most useful and versatile NPC's in the game.




Braches of DEX gives you
Armor -5
Cloak of protection +2 -7
Ring of gaxx -9
ring of earthcontol -10
ioun ston -11
shield -12

easy enough


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Old 11-06-2001, 09:35 AM   #18
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Your main character. He's got a party for a reason. Try soloing from the start and you'll die without any serious preparations or plans.


So will the NPC's lifetime
if you don;t give them support
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Old 11-06-2001, 10:45 AM   #19
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Hmmm..

Using personality as a factor I think is moot since its subjective. Like the NPCs in the game- if we judge them by personality most likely we will send someone to their death intentionally to shut them up.

That said- I have yet to find a character that is useless. Remember back in the Pen and Paper days many characters where created for the 'fun' factor. For their idiosyncratic qualities instead their ability to quickly dismember a troll.

If we see it that way its hard to argue what character is really useless. So far I am using a Paladin, Korgan, Viconia, Har Dealis (sic?), Edwin and Jan.

I finished the game with Minsc, Anomen and Valygar last time.

I am enjoying Viconia's high level turn Undead skill.
Har Dealis Improved invisibility, Melodic Chain and Offensive spin, double wield swords combination is deadly.

And I have found other NPC with their own particular quirks and strengths. Espcially HarDealis- I had him in my first game and he got rocked, until I noticed that the Melodic chain substantially increased his AC and allowed him to cast his mage spells. The offensive spin with improved invisibility is a ridiculous combo.


I think the debate will go on forever. Probably that is how the game designers wanted it to be. Each NPC has a flaw.
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Old 11-06-2001, 11:02 AM   #20
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Minsc Is highly overated. Korgan and Even Valygar are just as good. Keldorn is far better.

Most underated. Cernd as he is a character ive just started using and his ability to change into greater werewolf is phenomenal. His spell casting abilities are superb. And he says crazy things. Unlike Jahera who complains all the time .
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