Leveling up unbalanced?

Trau · 01-21-2003, 06:04 PM

It seems, in the Forgotten Realms world, that anyone over level 20 is a rare sight and one of the most powerful people in the world, yet, it is possible to become much more powerful in BGII. I've even seen references of 'powerful' characters as being level 16. What do you folks think? What's with all the ultra-high level characters?

Pyrenk · 01-21-2003, 06:22 PM

Well, you are a child of Bhaal...

I dont really know. The people just dont bother leveling up, so to speak. Ribald himself is only 16, IIRC.

Timber Loftis · 01-21-2003, 06:24 PM

Well, IIRC, even in the monty-haul Forgotten Realms, 12+ Level characters are 1 in 10,000 or more. Now, that wisdom is not supported by the literature. Waterdeep has (last time I checked) a population that swells above 200K in summer. This means you'd have 20 or so people that powerful in Waterdeep. Well, you can quickly name that many if you just buy a few Waterdeep Mods (don't forget UnderMountain is part of Waterdeep, too).

In *my* game, they are extremely rare, and the highest level characters ever got in a years-long campaign was 13-14th level.

But, BGII looks to address the very powerful persons in the world - namely, Bhaalspawn and their foes. I still think it's a bit overpopulated by folks of 10+ level, but hey, it's a *representation* of the actual world. Surely the slums have more people in them than the few you talk with - imagine it as a representation where all of the "useless" sorts mingling about the streets are simply set aside for ease of gameplay.

And, I like the high levels in SoA/ToB. It's nice to, for once, get a character up to those levels. And, with the story, it makes some sense. It's not like you can't start at first level.

Don't forget how much faster you levelup when you don't have to train all the time and make wisdom rolls (as per the rules).

But, it's also gotten more overpowered over time. The first Hall of Heroes books listed Elminster as a 36th level or so mage. The latest stats I saw on him were 40 level mage / 40th level cleric. I was like WTF.

Rataxes · 01-21-2003, 06:34 PM

I'd have to say I like the low level gameplay of Baldur's Gate A LOT more than the clash of Gods that BG2 really is [img]smile.gif[/img] That's also why I prefer the very early stages of BG2, rather than the late game + ToB.

Sythe · 01-21-2003, 06:53 PM

ditto rataxes ditto playing at a very high level gets a little borin you know!

Trau · 01-21-2003, 07:49 PM

Come on, in less than a year, one can go from level one to level forty. I thought that, in PnP, it took years upon years to achieve that.

Pyrenk · 01-21-2003, 08:41 PM

Don't get me started on how I hate reaching high levels and getting uber items. Read my OT post to get an idea.

karlosovic · 01-21-2003, 10:26 PM

another point... your character is a ballspawn, but the rest of your party probably aren't, yet they level as fast and as high as you do

9_1_6 · 01-22-2003, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by karlosovic:
another point... your character is a ballspawn, but the rest of your party probably aren't, yet they level as fast and as high as you do

Ahh, that is a very good point, but think of it, a Bhall Spawn who is, let's say lv.17, walking around with level 3 or 4 party members. Now, that wont fit his style, would it?

Gandalf the White · 01-22-2003, 01:22 PM

WHAT THE HELL IS IIRC???

01-21-2003, 06:04 PM	#1
Trau Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: Martinez, California, United States of America Age: 40 Posts: 366	It seems, in the Forgotten Realms world, that anyone over level 20 is a rare sight and one of the most powerful people in the world, yet, it is possible to become much more powerful in BGII. I've even seen references of 'powerful' characters as being level 16. What do you folks think? What's with all the ultra-high level characters? __________________ Black Bush: \"UN got a problem with me in Iraq? You know what you should do? You should sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh wait, you don\'t have an army. I guess that means you should need to shut the fk up! SHUT THE FK UP!\"

01-21-2003, 06:22 PM	#2
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 36 Posts: 1,156	Well, you are a child of Bhaal... I dont really know. The people just dont bother leveling up, so to speak. Ribald himself is only 16, IIRC. __________________

01-21-2003, 06:24 PM	#3
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	Well, IIRC, even in the monty-haul Forgotten Realms, 12+ Level characters are 1 in 10,000 or more. Now, that wisdom is not supported by the literature. Waterdeep has (last time I checked) a population that swells above 200K in summer. This means you'd have 20 or so people that powerful in Waterdeep. Well, you can quickly name that many if you just buy a few Waterdeep Mods (don't forget UnderMountain is part of Waterdeep, too). In my game, they are extremely rare, and the highest level characters ever got in a years-long campaign was 13-14th level. But, BGII looks to address the very powerful persons in the world - namely, Bhaalspawn and their foes. I still think it's a bit overpopulated by folks of 10+ level, but hey, it's a representation of the actual world. Surely the slums have more people in them than the few you talk with - imagine it as a representation where all of the "useless" sorts mingling about the streets are simply set aside for ease of gameplay. And, I like the high levels in SoA/ToB. It's nice to, for once, get a character up to those levels. And, with the story, it makes some sense. It's not like you can't start at first level. Don't forget how much faster you levelup when you don't have to train all the time and make wisdom rolls (as per the rules). But, it's also gotten more overpowered over time. The first Hall of Heroes books listed Elminster as a 36th level or so mage. The latest stats I saw on him were 40 level mage / 40th level cleric. I was like WTF. __________________

01-21-2003, 06:34 PM	#4
Rataxes Symbol of Cyric Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: Sweden Age: 39 Posts: 1,359	I'd have to say I like the low level gameplay of Baldur's Gate A LOT more than the clash of Gods that BG2 really is [img]smile.gif[/img] That's also why I prefer the very early stages of BG2, rather than the late game + ToB. __________________ [img]\"http://atlas.walagata.com/w/rataxes/ymca3.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />I want <b>YOU!</b>

01-21-2003, 06:53 PM	#5
Sythe Ra Join Date: May 19, 2002 Location: The US of A Age: 36 Posts: 2,365	ditto rataxes ditto playing at a very high level gets a little borin you know! __________________ Slythe is back! Back again! Haha! <br /><br />[url]\"http://imageshack.us\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/9928/130blood4ts.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

01-21-2003, 07:49 PM	#6
Trau Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: Martinez, California, United States of America Age: 40 Posts: 366	Come on, in less than a year, one can go from level one to level forty. I thought that, in PnP, it took years upon years to achieve that. __________________ Black Bush: \"UN got a problem with me in Iraq? You know what you should do? You should sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh wait, you don\'t have an army. I guess that means you should need to shut the fk up! SHUT THE FK UP!\"

01-21-2003, 08:41 PM	#7
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 36 Posts: 1,156	Don't get me started on how I hate reaching high levels and getting uber items. Read my OT post to get an idea. __________________

01-21-2003, 10:26 PM	#8
karlosovic Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: December 1, 2002 Location: Newcastle, Australia Age: 47 Posts: 636	another point... your character is a ballspawn, but the rest of your party probably aren't, yet they level as fast and as high as you do __________________ Sunglasses of Coolness +2<br /><br />Cernd: \"It is with great pride and pleasure that I accept this Most Valuable Player award....\"<br />(from the genius of Six of Spades)

01-22-2003, 01:22 PM	#10
Gandalf the White Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Gondor Age: 37 Posts: 29	WHAT THE HELL IS IIRC??? __________________ Dont take me for a conjurer of cheap tricks <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[wizardtrouble]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/wizardtrouble.gif\" />

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