Need good Thief

[Sherpa Doug]

Due to a run-in with Irenicus (I try not to spoil), I have lost Yoshi. I have Imoen but I have been spoiled by Yoshi's thieving skills. Is there any way to make Imoen a decent thief? Who else should I get? Should I try Nalia as a main line thief? I value hiding in shadows, detecting traps, and picking locks. We are 13th levelish.

I think next time my PC will be a thief. If I start as a mage and dual class to a thief early, I should have a good thief that can throw spells off of scrolls!

Sherpa Doug

a good theif is jan jansen who is rubish at hideing in shadows, but has very good other abilites and he is an illusionist. Nalia is dual classed at 4th lev as a theif and is rubbish, worse than imoen. Yoshimo is the only pure class theif in the game.

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[Melusine]

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but it's good that you're concerned about other people's enjoyment of the game's surprises, instead of carelessly mentioning important plot turns in your post...good for you!!!

About your prob: first of all, exchanging Nalia and Imoen is not advisable, as Immy dualled at level 7 and Nalia only at level 4 (meaning I. has lvl7 thief skills and N. lvl4). There are potions and items that enhance your thieving skills:
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> potions of Master Thievery and Potions of Perception
> the 2nd level mage spell Luck
> gloves of pickpocketing
> several rings like mercy killer ring, ring of danger sense etc.
> shadow armours, although these will disable Imoens wizard spells

I think your best bet is to pick up Jan, A gnome illusionist/thief (i.e. MULTI class). He still progresses as a thief and has some good custom items, making him by far the best thief. You can find him selling turnips and ehm....illegal custom items in the Government District.
Hope this helps!


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Melusine

Your voice is ambrosia

[Melusine]

Dramnek Ulk: As I mentioned in another post, hide in shadows is unnecessary, considering the amount of invisibility potions and spells in the game!

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Melusine

Your voice is ambrosia

but potions and spells eventully run out

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[Fljotsdale]

Imoen is a pretty rubbish Thief who never will get past level 7, but, like other people have said, potions and spells and items will enhance her abilities considerably.
You are right about Yoshimo. Best Thief in the game!
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After it was way too late for me, I was given info on this board on how to keep Yoshimo. If you want it, post. If I'm not here to tell you, someone will
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[Sherpa Doug]

As I mentioned elsewhere on the board, my thieves only come out of hiding to backstab! I guess I will use Imoen with shadow armor for a while.

Thanks, Sherpa Doug

[Sherpa Doug]

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I ditched Yoshi in a cell in the asylum before the "administrator" showed his true colors, but it didn't help. Do I need to ditch Yoshi earlier? I have his sword, and a bit of him, can he be resurected? I am not sure the rest of the party would want him back.

Sherpa Doug

[Melusine]

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Sherpa Doug:
Once he's betrayed you you can never get him back or resurrect him. You need to ditch him much earlier, preferably in athkathla. Leave him in a closed area like an inn. Then after the Asylum, walk into the inn and IMMEDIATELY click on Yoshi to talk with him. Pick the dialogue option saying you want him in your party. Then he will be in your party and immediately die, but now you can resurrect him!

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You give yoshimos heart to a priest of ilmater in athkatla to give him peace from his Geas in death, you get loads of exp for this.

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The most Holy and Divine Godly and Wise Noble and Kind Knights of the Ever burning Flame Imperishable of Eternal Hope and Faith from which all Life will find its Perfect Gleaming Shining Defense Force of honour and Righteous Justice