What if Germany has won WW I

[Kakero]

Originally posted by arjen: About the colony thinggie in WW2. just an example that its not working like that: conquer the mother-country and getting its colonies too. Germany invaded and occupied the Netherlands, yet the Dutch largest, and very rich colony, The Dutch-East Indies became 'independent' under Japanese 'protection'. Same goes for Malaysia, and Vietnam.

* cough * they are in the same roof. if you know what I mean. it has something to do with Axis Forces ( Pangkatan Axis ) that Germany, Italy and Japan made before WW2.

[arjen]

* cough * they are in the same roof. if you know what I mean. it has something to do with Axis Forces ( Pangkatan Axis ) that Germany, Italy and Japan made before WW2.


I dont think that if Hitler was there for the colonies, he wouldnt let Japan have the richest one. Alltough they had a military alliance they were still asian monkeys to him

[Black Baron]

Arjen-Radek hired the assassin, therefore Commies dirted their hands. The ground was fertile, sure, but the commies planted the plant/bullet.

The russians were fed up with nicolai, but that does not mean that they wanted the red goons insted. They wanted kerensky. If we will look at-how many people voted for lenin "national butchery" ltd, we will see some interesting stuff. The majority was white. The utter minority was red. Lenin had to use mercenaries, and a revolt in order to sucseed. if he had the majority, he would have used democrasy instead. Can't beat the logic of this.

[Timber Loftis]

How come so much of WWI is being discussed without discussing the Turks?

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: How come so much of WWI is being discussed without discussing the Turks?

Shhhh! We're getting to that! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[arjen]

Baron, it might have been a communist group that hired the assasin but still, dont you think that WW1 would have broken out even regardless of the assasination of the prince? The tensions in europe as described my me in my other post just needed a spark. If not this assasination it might as well have been an other one...

[Link]

Austria-Hungaria (sp?) had been in trouble from 1847 (the year when they 'fused') onwards. During his reign, Franz Joseph had seen nothing but trouble. He couldn't get himself a decent 'Kaiserminister' (prime minister) because they weren't any capable men out there who could solve the internal struggles of the country. The Czechs were always directly opposed to the Austrian Germans; they even blamed the economic crisis in 1873 on the Austrian-German population!
In short: the large diversity of different cultures, languages, ideas had always been a big problem in Austria-Hungaria. Franz Joseph was an impotent leader without any original ideas. Already in 1897 the 'national' army had to step in to keep the peace, but the following 17 years were still rough and unsteady. The people had directed their hope to Franz Joseph's nephew (his own son Rudolph had committed suicide in 1889) Franz Ferdinand, because they though he would do better. When he got assassinated by Gavilo Princip on June 28th 1914, the spark was there.

Franz Joseph had no choice (otherwise there would have probably been a revolt) but to attack the Serbs. Too bad for him, Russia had promised support to the Serbs in case they were attacked by Franz Joseph, so when he finally did attack, he had Russia on his back as well. The weakened Austria-Hungarian army got it's arse handed back to them by both the Serbs and the Russians; it was the German Emperor Wilhelm who saved their skin. Note that Wilhelm and Tsar Nicolas didn't intend to fight against each other: the relationship between Russia and Germany was pretty good.

Of course, this is not the total picture. There's also some nasty politics involved from the German side (Bismarck) and the dreamy ideas of both the people of Austria-Hungaria and Franz Joseph for a resurrection of the great Habsburg empire.

Partly, all these things were responsible for what later culminated in the Second World War. Austria was left alone after WWI, the Allied Forces didn't help them out. And you wondered why America was so quick to initiate Marshall help after WWII? There's your reason
The Austrian politics were so weak that National Socialism got a firm foot on the ground there. That's why Hitler had so little convincing to do when he tried to annexate Austria. It's all about causality after all [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Black Baron]

The communists wanted ww1. Sure it could have been without them, but they did cause it regardless, and that's my point.