Genocide

[Magness]

Ahhhh..... Another posting by Dramnek_Ulk, another pile of communist bovine fecal matter.

Below is my commentary on his last posting.

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Large Scale capitalism leads always inevitably to what we have today, a messed up world.

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BS!!!! Large scale COMMUNISM created the world's largest waste dump site!!!

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IF we behaved in a sensible manner (less consuming, less Prejudice etc) we could improve our living standards for everyone, But this would require a fundamental changing of perception for most people, due to the greed they have been imbued with.

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"Greed" is NOT the same thing as enlightened self-interest. "Prejudice" is a very long standing part of the human condition, dating back to well before the origination of modern capitalism or communism.

"Consuming" is what drives the economies of the world. People buy things that they perceive that they need or want. Other people have jobs to make those things. If people are "consuming" less, then fewer people are working to make those things. Fewer people working creates economic recessions or depressions. Fewer people working also means that governments have less tax revenue to provide government "services".
There is NO FREE LUNCH, comrade!!!

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People are responsible enough to need no instrument of the ruling classes (or Government). It's just that the pressures of capitalistic society create a situation where there is enough of everything for everyone, but only a few get it due to the pressures of greed & nationalism.

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What sort of drug-induced dream world are you living in, comrade? If people were "responsible enough" to need no government, there'd be no racism or prejudice. And who's gonna pay for the schools? Who's gonna make certain that working conditions are safe? Who's gonna protect the people from the criminals? (Oh, I suppose that there's gonna be no crime? Not a chance!!!) Those are things that governments do!!! Mind you, I'm not exactly a big fan of big government. I tend to think of it as a necessary evil. But there are things that government IS needed to do.

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Capitlism blinds people to what is best for everyone.

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I am not blinded by capitalism. What is best for all people is freedom from marxist communist murders!!!

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For example it is good not to spew out Carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, but in order to make a few people rich now we make millions pay later, in global warming.

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Ah yes, environmentalism is the new home of the politically rejected socialists world-wide. If they cannot destroy the economies of the world thru socialism and communism, they'll try to do it the radical environmentalism!

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Capitlism is the problem and will always be due to its fundamental Inequities.

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Ahhh yes. It's better that we all be poor, then to let those of us who are willing to work really hard and be successful and get rich. Yeah ... right!!! There is no incentive to work in the communist dream world. Hence, hardly anyone would be working. Hence, no economy. Hence, no freedom. Hence, no food. Hence, no people. Ah yes. The ideal communist dream world. Everyone is equal in death!!!

Sorry. I'll take my poor, greedy, capitalistic country with all its faults, either real or imagined, over your ideal communist dream world.

It was Dictatorial communism that created the CCCP & PRC and Eastern Europe. All human evil comes from Greed, that is obvious enough, but If we Really wanted to I’m sure we could all work together to endure that everyone had enough of everything, it would be a Complex matter of more efficient production and distribution, less built in obsolescence and breakdown. But I believe that you have been so blinded by capitalism that you are lacking the inner beard, and so will never see the light of Marx’s works & visions.
The technology we have and will develop should be sufficient enough so that we need work very little and work at what we want to, its just that the manifold evils of capitalism prevent us from this. A Utopia is perfectly within our grasp; it’s just that the manifold evils of capitalism prevent us from claiming it, in fact the manifold evils of captilism are responsible for almost everything bad that has ever occured.

[ 01-13-2002: Message edited by: Dramnek_Ulk ]

[Zbyszek]

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Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:
If we Really wanted to I’m sure we could all work together to endure that everyone had enough of everything,

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We were told all the time we have to work hard to achieve true communism, that we had real socialism. It was dictatorship and when Stalin lived people were dying, also people from communist party, because they could be a threat for others. But there was no other way: dictatorship or chaos. In fact we had no choice because of our brother russian armies, but it was dicatorship that make peace. Some of pro-western partisans were fighting even in 1948 and 1949 and by all standards they were terrorists. But Stalin died, we got free schools, health care, and socialist economy. In 70-ties government wanted to increase consumption to ease social unrest - we got loans in west - we are paying them back all the time. Communism has fallen, our health care and education also. We are governed by anti-communist labor unions or post-communists and post-communist unions. They hate each other and fight themselves. They are corrupted, sell everything and make fortunes but society is poorer and poorer.

Now in southern America maoists and other are fighting for what they call freedom, but now all they do is murders of peasants and priests. They need money for their fight and sell drugs. They sacrifice all for their aims but in fact they sacrifice others. It sounds all the same : like [B] "Arbeit macht frei" [\B].

Look around Dramnek - we dont want to share, to work together. Third world produce poverty in enormous rate, they chop every tree, kill animals because they want to eat, to have fire.
Look for south America, Africa. People shout Che!, socialism or death! but it is just SOCIALISM AND DEATH.

[norompanlasolas]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magness:
I am not blinded by capitalism. What is best for all people is freedom from marxist communist murders!!!


i think murderer regimes come from all the political arch, communist (not in the theory, but in the practice), fascist, ultrareligious, etc. fascist regimes have been historically the most murderous of them all, though.

Ah yes, environmentalism is the new home of the politically rejected socialists world-wide. If they cannot destroy the economies of the world thru socialism and communism, they'll try to do it the radical environmentalism!


this is nonsense. i was about to post something about it but then i realized it was not worth it because its an inflamatory statement.

[Magness]

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i think murderer regimes come from all the political arch, communist (not in the theory, but in the practice), fascist, ultrareligious, etc.

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Duh.

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fascist regimes have been historically the most murderous of them all, though.

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Oh, I don't know about this statement. I think that the communist murders are ahead in the body count.

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Ah yes, environmentalism is the new home of the politically rejected socialists world-wide. If they cannot destroy the economies of the world thru socialism and communism, they'll try to do it the radical environmentalism!

this is nonsense. i was about to post something about it but then i realized it was not worth it because its an inflamatory statement.

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No, it's not nonsense. Green parties worldwide are environmental parties. Try to tell me that those Green parties are not packed to the gills with socialists and other lefties. Then you can pull the other leg.

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Zbyszek:
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I agree with Magness - people dont need capitalism nor communism to make themselves unhappy or to exploit others. But in my opinion it just means that people should be controlled because they can not make good - globally - [QB]

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So, Zyb, who is going to do the controlling? Who do you trust to make the 'right' decisions for the rest of us? For you? The 'controllers' are no better than anyone else, in my view.