For those Catholics/Christians in Religion out there... - Page 3

caleb · 06-20-2002, 03:34 AM

All hail donut master of the rolling post

theifprowess · 06-20-2002, 03:45 AM

if god created evil the he must have put the will of evil in all men right? so is it morally wrong for men to beget evil when its is a natural course in which god gave us?in saying that is there really a hell. or just different degrees of heaven? based on how well you resists evil throughout your life.

AzureWolf · 06-20-2002, 03:59 AM

I think your subtlety is just too hot to handle o holey one.

theifprowess · 06-20-2002, 04:28 AM

what do you mean by that?
i am being serious on my last response.
its stated that god created evil to coincide with good.
yin and yang they must exist.
but for what purpose did god do this?did he want to see in his own musing how man would handle choosing between good and evil?
do we see osama bin laden as evil when he sees himself as self rightous leader fighting against an evil tyrant. i wanna know is osama going to a hell for what he has created or is he such a great holy figure that he will be reveared and sent to heavens highest ranks. religion negates anothers religion. in one religions eye you are doing good in another you are doing evil. which is the correct path?

caleb · 06-20-2002, 04:41 AM

If you say "Come look at this before I flush it"....you just might be a redneck.

If you say "Osama is a great holy figure".....you just might be a terrorist.

Hope that cleared things up for you

06-20-2002, 05:07 AM

OK, the Angel thing has always had me baffled. The story of Lucifer seems extremely out of character for God.

Can someone please tell me what the Bible says about Angels. It seems everyone I talk to has different ideas about what Angels are. I'm sure most of it is made up to suit their own ideals.

So, what does the Bible actually say? I read pretty much all of it in my teenage years and I don't recall any definitions, let alone explanations of what Angels are, or how they were formed, or why they were formed.

If the Bible doesn't say squat, where the Hell do all these Angel stories come from?

I'm sure Yorick will tell me. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Avi.

caleb · 06-20-2002, 05:16 AM

Yes angels are a interesting subject.......but what about GREMLINS! Do they really cause plane wrecks or are they benevolent creatures [img]graemlins/question.gif[/img] and ZOMBIES! Wheeeeeeere the heck are all the zombies! Thats the problem with zombies their unreliable!

Cotinue the raging debate here http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...;f=10;t=009255

[ 06-20-2002, 05:37 AM: Message edited by: caleb ]

theifprowess · 06-20-2002, 06:00 AM

what you fail to see is that to osama and his followers, they are doing to their own sense a holy act and are looked upon with great pride. your religion dictates that that is wrong to do that. to act in a terrorist fashion. who does god believe is in the right and who is in the wrong? according to them you guys are in the wrong they are in the right. to you guys they are in the wrong and you are in the right. thus conflict of interests in religion occur and war is inevitable. can one person here prove me wrong?

caleb · 06-20-2002, 06:04 AM

Are you asking me [img]graemlins/question.gif[/img] Im agnostic not christian.

theifprowess · 06-20-2002, 06:11 AM

im not saying your agnostic when did i say that. no i am agnostic trying to figure out the logic and reasonings with people and their religions.

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06-20-2002, 03:34 AM	#21
caleb Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA, U.S.A. Age: 39 Posts: 2,615	All hail donut master of the rolling post

06-20-2002, 03:45 AM	#22
theifprowess Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: March 9, 2002 Location: california Posts: 613	if god created evil the he must have put the will of evil in all men right? so is it morally wrong for men to beget evil when its is a natural course in which god gave us?in saying that is there really a hell. or just different degrees of heaven? based on how well you resists evil throughout your life.

06-20-2002, 03:59 AM	#23
AzureWolf 20th Level Warrior Join Date: May 3, 2001 Location: . Age: 40 Posts: 2,762	I think your subtlety is just too hot to handle o holey one.

06-20-2002, 04:28 AM	#24
theifprowess Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: March 9, 2002 Location: california Posts: 613	what do you mean by that? i am being serious on my last response. its stated that god created evil to coincide with good. yin and yang they must exist. but for what purpose did god do this?did he want to see in his own musing how man would handle choosing between good and evil? do we see osama bin laden as evil when he sees himself as self rightous leader fighting against an evil tyrant. i wanna know is osama going to a hell for what he has created or is he such a great holy figure that he will be reveared and sent to heavens highest ranks. religion negates anothers religion. in one religions eye you are doing good in another you are doing evil. which is the correct path?

06-20-2002, 04:41 AM	#25
caleb Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA, U.S.A. Age: 39 Posts: 2,615	If you say "Come look at this before I flush it"....you just might be a redneck. If you say "Osama is a great holy figure".....you just might be a terrorist. Hope that cleared things up for you

06-20-2002, 05:07 AM	#26
lroyo Guest Posts: n/a	OK, the Angel thing has always had me baffled. The story of Lucifer seems extremely out of character for God. Can someone please tell me what the Bible says about Angels. It seems everyone I talk to has different ideas about what Angels are. I'm sure most of it is made up to suit their own ideals. So, what does the Bible actually say? I read pretty much all of it in my teenage years and I don't recall any definitions, let alone explanations of what Angels are, or how they were formed, or why they were formed. If the Bible doesn't say squat, where the Hell do all these Angel stories come from? I'm sure Yorick will tell me. [img]smile.gif[/img] Avi.

06-20-2002, 05:16 AM	#27
caleb Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA, U.S.A. Age: 39 Posts: 2,615	Yes angels are a interesting subject.......but what about GREMLINS! Do they really cause plane wrecks or are they benevolent creatures [img]graemlins/question.gif[/img] and ZOMBIES! Wheeeeeeere the heck are all the zombies! Thats the problem with zombies their unreliable! Cotinue the raging debate here http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...;f=10;t=009255 [ 06-20-2002, 05:37 AM: Message edited by: caleb ]

06-20-2002, 06:00 AM	#28
theifprowess Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: March 9, 2002 Location: california Posts: 613	what you fail to see is that to osama and his followers, they are doing to their own sense a holy act and are looked upon with great pride. your religion dictates that that is wrong to do that. to act in a terrorist fashion. who does god believe is in the right and who is in the wrong? according to them you guys are in the wrong they are in the right. to you guys they are in the wrong and you are in the right. thus conflict of interests in religion occur and war is inevitable. can one person here prove me wrong?

06-20-2002, 06:04 AM	#29
caleb Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA, U.S.A. Age: 39 Posts: 2,615	Are you asking me [img]graemlins/question.gif[/img] Im agnostic not christian.

06-20-2002, 06:11 AM	#30
theifprowess Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: March 9, 2002 Location: california Posts: 613	im not saying your agnostic when did i say that. no i am agnostic trying to figure out the logic and reasonings with people and their religions.

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