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Old 03-28-2003, 02:20 PM   #1
Timber Loftis
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Look, I think we all know I support the war. However, this quiz makes some bitingly-poignant points about Bush & Co., i.e. Cronies Inc. in the first few questions. The rest is based on anti-war arguments we've seen here before, but I include them any way. Just, well just because.

Iraq War Quiz
by Stephen R. Shalom


1. The anti-war movement supports our troops by urging that they be
brought home immediately so they neither kill nor get killed in a unjust
war. How has the Bush administration shown its support for our troops?

a. The Republican-controlled House Budget Committee voted to cut
$25 billion in veterans benefits over the next 10 years.

b. The Bush administration proposed cutting $172 million from
impact aid programs which provide school funding for children of
military personnel.

c. The administration ordered the Dept. of Veterans Affairs to stop
publicizing health benefits available to veterans.

d. All of the above.



2. The anti-war movement believes that patriotism means urging our
country to do what is right. How do Bush administration officials define
patriotism?

a. Patriotism means emulating Dick Cheney, who serves as
Vice-President while receiving $100,000-$1,000,000 a year from
Halliburton, the multi-billion dollar company which is already lining up
for major contracts in post-war Iraq.

b. Patriotism means emulating Richard Perle, the warhawk who serves
as head of the Defense Intelligence Board while at the same time meeting
with Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi on behalf of Trireme, a company
of which he is a managing partner, involved in security and military
technologies, and while agreeing to work as a paid lobbyist for Global
Crossing, a telecommunications giant seeking a major Pentagon contract.

c. Patriotism means emulating George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul
Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, John Bolton, Tom DeLay, John Ashcroft, Lewis
Libby, and others who enthusiastically supported the Vietnam War while
avoiding serving in it and who now are sending others to kill and be
killed in Iraq.

d. All of the above.



3. The Bush administration has accused Saddam Hussein of lying
regarding his weapons of mass destruction. Which of the following might
be considered less than truthful?

a. Constant claims by the Bush administration that there was
documentary evidence linking Iraq to attempted uranium purchases in
Niger, despite the fact that the documents were forgeries and CIA
analysts doubted their authenticity.
b. A British intelligence report on Iraq's security services that
was in fact plagiarized, with selected modifications, from a student
article.
c. The frequent citation of the incriminating testimony of Iraqi
defector Hussein Kamel, while suppressing that part of the testimony in
which Kamel stated that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been
destroyed following the 1991 Gulf War.
d. All of the above.

4. White House Press Secretary Ari Fleisher stormed out of a press
conference when the assembled reporters broke into laughter after he
declared that the U.S. would never try to bribe members of the UN. What
should Fleisher have said to defend himself?

a. It wasn't just bribery; we also ordered the bugging of the home
and office phones and emails of the UN ambassadors of Security Council
member states that were undecided on war.

b. Oh, come on! We've been doing this for years. In 1990 when Yemen
voted against authorizing war with Iraq, the U.S. ambassador declared
"That will be the most expensive 'no' vote you ever cast."

c. Why do you think the Africa Growth and Opportunity Act makes one
of the conditions for an African country to receive preferential access
to U.S. markets that it "not engage in activities that undermine United
States national security or foreign policy interests"?

d. All of the above.


5. George Bush has declared that "we have no fight with the Iraqi
people." What could he have cited as supporting evidence?

a. U.S. maintenance of 12 years of crippling sanctions that
strengthened Saddam Hussein while contributing to the death of hundreds
of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

b. The fact that "coalition" forces have indicated that they will
use cluster bombs in Iraq, despite warnings from human rights groups
that "The use of cluster munitions in Iraq will endanger civilians for
years to come."

c. By pointing to the analogy of Afghanistan, which the U.S.
pledged not to forget about when the war was over, and for which the
current Bush administration foreign aid budget request included not one
cent in aid.

d. All of the above.


6. The Bush administration has touted the many nations that are
part of the "coalition of the willing." Which of the following
statements about this coalition is true?

a. In most of the coalition countries polls show that a majority,
often an overwhelming majority, of the people oppose the war.

b. More than ten of the members of the coalition of the willing are
actually a coalition of the unwilling - unwilling to reveal their names.

c. Coalition members - most of whose contributions to the war are
negligible or even zero - constitute less than a quarter of the
countries in the UN and contain less than 20% of the world's population.

d. All of the above.


7. The war on Iraq is said to be part of the "war on terrorism."
Which of the following is true?

a. A senior American counterintelligence official said: "An
American invasion of Iraq is already being used as a recruitment tool by
Al Qaeda and other groups....And it is a very effective tool."

b. An American official, based in Europe, said Iraq had become "a
battle cry, in a way," for Al Qaeda recruiters.

c. France's leading counter-terrorism judge said: "Bin Laden's
strategy has always been to demonstrate to the Islamic community that
the West, and especially the U.S., is starting a global war against
Muslims. An attack on Iraq might confirm this vision for many Muslims. I
am very worried about the next wave of recruits."

d. All of the above.


8. The Bush administration says it is waging war to stop the spread
of weapons of mass destruction. Which of the following is true?

a. The United States has refused to ratify the Comprehensive Test
Ban Treaty, viewed worldwide as the litmus test for seriousness about
nuclear disarmament.

b. The United States has insisted on a reservation to the Chemical
Weapons Convention allowing the U.S. President the right to refuse an
inspection of U.S. facilities on national security grounds, and blocked
efforts to improve compliance with the Biological and Toxin Weapons
Convention.

c. Vice Admiral Lowell E. Jacoby, Director of the Defense
Intelligence Agency, testified on Feb. 11, 2003, "The long-term trends
with respect to WMD and missile proliferation are bleak. States seek
these capabilities for regional purposes, or to provide a hedge to deter
or offset U.S. military superiority."

d. All of the above.


9. The Bush administration says it wants to bring democracy to Iraq
and the Middle East. Which of the following is true?

a. If there were democracy in Saudi Arabia today, backing for the
U.S. war effort would be the first thing to go, given the country's
"increasingly anti-American population deeply opposed to the war."

b. The United States subverted some of the few democratic
governments in the Middle East (Syria in 1949, Iran in 1953), and has
backed undemocratic regimes in the region ever since.

c. The United States supported the crushing of anti-Saddam Hussein
revolts in Iraq in 1991.

d. All of the above.


10. Colin Powell cited as evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link an
audiotape from bin Laden in which he called Saddam Hussein and his Baath
Party regime "infidels." Which of the following is more compelling
evidence?

a. An FBI official told the New York Times: "We've been looking at
this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don't think
it's there."

b. According to a classified British intelligence report seen by
BBC News, "There are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the
al-Qaeda network."

c. According to Rohan Gunaratna, author of Inside Al Qaeda: Global
Network of Terror, "Since U.S. intervention in Afghanistan in October
2001, I have examined several tens of thousands of documents recovered
from Al Qaeda and Taliban sources. In addition to listening to 240 tapes
taken from Al Qaeda's central registry, I debriefed several Al Qaeda
and Taliban detainees. I could find no evidence of links between Iraq
and Al Qaeda."

d. All of the above.


Answers and Sources

1. d (a) Cong. Lane Evans, "Veterans Programs Slashed by House
Republicans," Press Release, 3/13/03,
http://www.veterans.house.gov/democr...-03budget.htm.
(b) Brian Faler, "Educators Angry Over Proposed Cut in Aid; Many
Children in Military Families Would Feel Impact," Washington Post,
3/19/03, p. A29. (c) See Veterans' for Common Sense, letter to George W.
Bush, 3/20/03 http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/print.asp?id=563;
Melissa B. Robinson, "Hospitals Face Budget Crunch," Associated Press,
7/31/02; Jason Tait, "Veterans angered by marketing ban," Eagle-Tribune
(Lawrence, MA), 8/2/02,
http://www.eagletribune.com/news/sto...802/FP_003.htm

2. d (a) Warren Vieth and Elizabeth Douglass, " Ousting Hussein
could open the door for U.S. and British firms. French, Russian and
Chinese rivals would lose their edge," Los Angeles Times, 3/12/03, p.
I:1; Robert Bryce and Julian Borger, "Halliburton: Cheney is still paid
by Pentagon contractor, Bush deputy gets Dollars 1m from firm with Iraq
oil deal," Guardian (London), 3/12/03, p. 5 (which notes that
Halliburton "would not say how much the payments are; the obligatory
disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only
that they are in the range of" $100,000 and $1 million. (b) Seymour M.
Hersh, "Lunch with the Chairman," New Yorker, 3/16/03; Stephen Labaton,
"Pentagon Adviser Is Also Advising Global Crossing," NYT, 3/21/03, p.
C1. Perle is to be paid $725,000 for his lobbying effort, including
$600,000 if his lobbying is successful. (c) New Hampshire Gazette, "The
Chickenhawks," http://nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html.

3. d (a) See the evidence collected in Cong. Henry Waxman's letter
to George W. Bush, 3/17/03,
http://www.house.gov/waxman/text/adm...ch_17_let.htm. (b) See
Glen Rangwala's report, http://traprockpeace.org/britishdossier.html.
(c) See Glen Rangwala's report, http://traprockpeace.org/kamel.html.

4. d (a) Martin Bright, Ed Vulliamy, and Peter Beaumont, The
Observer (London), 3/2/03. (b) Quoted in Phyllis Bennis, Calling the
Shots: How Washington Dominates Today's UN, New York: Olive Branch,
1996, p. 33. (c) Sarah Anderson, Phyllis Bennis, and John Cavanagh,
Coalition of the Willing or Coalition of the Coerced?: How The Bush
Administration Influences Allies in Its War on Iraq, Washington, DC:
Institute for Policy Studies, 2/26/03, p. 4.

5. d (a) For background, see Anthony Arnove, ed., Iraq Under Siege:
The Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War, Cambridge: South End Press,
updated ed. 2003. (b) Paul Waugh, "Labour MPs Attack Hoon After He
Reveals That British Forces Will Use Cluster Bombs," Independent,
3/21/03, p. 4; Human Rights Watch, Press Release, 3/18/03: "Persian
Gulf: U.S. Cluster Bomb Duds A Threat; Warning Against Use of Cluster
Bombs in Iraq." (c) Zvi Bar'el, "Flaws in the Afghan Model," Ha'aretz,
3/14/03,
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/ob...leEn.jhtml?ite
mNo=272884.

6. d (a) See, for example, the revealing comment of Secretary of
State Powell: "We need to knock down this idea that nobody is on our
side. So many nations recognize this danger [of Iraq's weapons]. And
they do it in the face of public opposition." Quoted in Steven R.
Weisman With Felicity Barringer, "Urgent Diplomacy Fails To Gain U.S. 9
Votes In The U.N." NYT, 3/10/03, p. A1) (b) U.S. Dept. of State, Daily
Press Briefing, Richard Boucher, Washington, DC, 3/18/03. (c) Country
list: White House, Statement of Support from Coalition, 3/25/03,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...030325-8.html;
population calculated from Statistical Abstract of the United States,
2001, Washington, DC: 2001, table 1327. Total includes USA. The White
House list includes countries whose leaders have done no more than state
their support for the United States, and the listing changes from day to
day, with some countries being added and some removed.

7. d (a) Don Van Natta Jr. and Desmond Butler, "Anger On Iraq Seen
As New Qaeda Recruiting Tool," NYT, 3/16/03, p. I:1. (b) Van Natta and
Butler, NYT, 3/16/03. (c) Van Natta and Butler, NYT, 3/16/03.

8. d (a) Colum Lynch, "U.S. Boycotts Nuclear Test Ban Meeting; Some
Delegates at U.N. Session Upset at Latest Snub of Pact Bush Won't Back,"
Washington Post, 11/12/02, p. A6. (b) Amy E. Smithson, "U.S.
Implementation of the CWC," in Jonathan B. Tucker, The Chemical Weapons
Convention: Implementation Challenges and Solutions, Monterey Institute,
April 2001, pp. 23-29, http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/reports/tuckcwc.htm;
Jonathan Tucker, "The Fifth Review Conference of the Biological and
Toxin Weapons Convention," Feb. 2002,
http://www.nti.org/e_research/e3_7b.html. (c) Testimony before the
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, excerpted at
http://traprockpeace.org/usefulquotesoniraq.html.

9. d (a) Craig S. Smith, "Saudi Arabia Seems Calm But, Many Say, Is
Seething," NYT, 3/24/03, p. B13. In fact, "Though the Saudi government
officially denies it, the bombing campaign is being directed from Saudi
Arabia - something that few Saudis realize." (b) On Syria, see Douglas
Little, ACold War and Covert Action: The United States and Syria, 1945
1958,@ Middle East Journal, vol. 44, no. 1, Winter 1990, pp. 55 57. On
Iran, see Mark J. Gasiorowski, "The 1953 Coup D'Etat in Iran,"
International Journal of Middle East Studies, vol. 19, Aug. 1987, pp.
261-86. (c) Andrew Cockburn and Patrick Cockburn, Out of the Ashes: The
Resurrection of Saddam Hussein, New York: HarperPerennial. 1999, chap.
1.

10. d (re audiotape, see David Johnston, "Top U.S. Officials Press
Case Linking Iraq To Al Qaeda," NYT, 2/12/03, p. A1; Mohamad Bazzi,
"U.S. says bin Laden tape urging Iraqis to attack appears real,"
Newsday, 2/12/03, p. A5. (a) James Risen and David Johnston, "Split at
C.I.A. and F.B.I. On Iraqi Ties to Al Qaeda," NYT, 2/2/03, p. I:13. (b)
"Leaked Report Rejects Iraqi al-Qaeda Link," BBC News, 2/5/03. (c) Rohan
Gunaratna, "Iraq and Al Qaeda: No Evidence of Alliance," International
Herald Tribune, 2/19/03.


Interpreting Your Score

9-10 Correct: Excellent. Contact United for Peace and Justice,
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/, and work to fight the war and the system
that produced it.

6-8 Correct: Fair. You've been watching a few too many former generals
and government officials who provide the "expert" commentary for the
mainstream media. Read the alternative media!

3-5 Correct: Poor. Don't feel bad. George W. Bush only got a C- in
International Relations at College.

0-2 Correct: Failing. You have a bright future as an "embedded"
journalist.
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Old 03-28-2003, 02:37 PM   #2
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Good post TL and it should raise a lot of alarm bells. What is that old saying about knowing whats going on in your own backyard? can't recall but with regards to b. in the second question:

Patriotism means emulating Richard Perle, the warhawk who serves
as head of the Defense Intelligence Board while at the same time meeting
with Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi on behalf of Trireme, a company
of which he is a managing partner, involved in security and military
technologies, and while agreeing to work as a paid lobbyist for Global
Crossing, a telecommunications giant seeking a major Pentagon contract.


Perle resigned just yesterday i believe from the Defense board because of questions raised about his position with those companys specifically Global Crossing.

heres a link to Perle resigning

EDIT>
and if this one is true in question 3:
c. The frequent citation of the incriminating testimony of Iraqi
defector Hussein Kamel, while suppressing that part of the testimony in
which Kamel stated that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been
destroyed following the 1991 Gulf War.


Then the Bush administration has lied to the American people and to the world.

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Old 03-28-2003, 02:41 PM   #3
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Thanks, Djinn. Now why Chaney can continue his antics I will never understand. He's the teflon don of the administration. He's very brilliant, I'll admit, but also just a bit too Eeeeevil for me.
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Old 03-28-2003, 03:15 PM   #4
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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Thanks, Djinn. Now why Chaney can continue his antics I will never understand. He's the teflon don of the administration. He's very brilliant, I'll admit, but also just a bit too Eeeeevil for me.
We won't have to put up with him for much longer. I don't think he will run for re-election. I figure either they will talk Powell into running with Bush or Frist (Senate Majority Leader, Republican from Tennessee)Majority will be the next running mate.
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Old 03-28-2003, 03:22 PM   #5
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I hope you are correct.

I find Powell to be the most reasonable of the lot.

We can't blame Bush entirely for his policies. Bush is easily influenced by the 10 men that are still in positions of power that have been pushing for over 10 years to install a policy to allow the US to attack any country that may pose a future threat US interest. This policy was rejected by Clinton and it certainly isn't making any friends around the world.

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Old 03-28-2003, 04:05 PM   #6
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Another excellent topic by our esteemed colleague, Timber Loftis. Many eye-raising points are discussed, including links to sources of verification.

I, also, am in support of this war because Saddam has proven that he is unstable, both politically and (as far as I can tell) mentally. There will be an increased likelihood of long-lasting peace in the Middle East with him gone.

However, I am not so naive as to think that Bush & Company have not lied and will not lie to me if they think it is necessary to do so. In fact, I would be shocked to discover that any President had not lied at some point; lying is simply a drawback to becoming the leader of a nation (cynical, I know, but I feel that to be the truth nonetheless). All we need do is remember to take any statement from the White House with a grain of salt.
No country wants to be invaded by subsequently told what to do and what not to do, but the temptation towards "empire-building" seems to be almost too much for those in Washington to resist. I'm certain that Bush (or more specifically, those backing him) would love to topple Hussein and put a pro-US government in place. History is rife with examples of nations controlling those who have been conquered only to find the tables have turned, with the conquered becoming the conquerers. In short, if we don't start learning from our mistakes right now and get out of Iraq as soon as Hussein is gone then this particular problem will come back to haunt us for years to come. Part of the current problem is because we messed around in Iran, then needed an ally in the Middle East to fight against Iran--namely, Saddam Hussein. (by the way, it was Bush Sr. who helped place Hussein into power) It is no wonder that so many Muslims despise America--we have a history of interference with their internal affairs.

*whew* I need a refill of my coffee cup after all that. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

Anyway...we need to finish the job quickly and get out completely, then let the Iraqis decide their future for themselves. If they choose democracy, good; if not, then leave them to their own fate.

Not everyone has forgotten Afghanistan--they are once again the world's foremost producer of poppy plants, the basic ingredient for herion.

My apologies to Timber Loftis; I didn't mean to derail the thread.
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Old 03-28-2003, 05:11 PM   #7
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As usual, Timber, an excellent post.

Made me think a great deal about how much we don't know. When Clinton lied to us, it was trivial stuff, at least.

Every administration lies to us. We have only to look at our history. Every single President we have had in the last 20 years have lied about something, the Republicans about our military, and the Dems about policies. Go figure.

I support our troops wholeheartedly, but I wonder about the President who put us there and what his real agenda is.
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Old 03-28-2003, 05:15 PM   #8
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On a related topic: Wednesday, December 16, 1998

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...12/16/clinton/

You may remember that Clinton was a little peeved at Saddam back in 98. The article is at the above link.

What would that quiz make of his agenda? At the time we thought he was trying to distract us from the Monica Mess.
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Old 03-28-2003, 05:27 PM   #9
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Great link Charean, thanks a lot. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] More of the historical record to beat off those who would act as if this was a Dubya-only concept.
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Old 03-29-2003, 05:07 PM   #10
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Well I, for one, am speechless.

Alot of relevant information in just a little space and presented in the kind of irony that is after my own heart! [img]smile.gif[/img]

I guessed "D" for all the questions before I noticed the Bibliography. Predictable!

Thanks TL! I know you support the war and I respect your veiwpoint. I commend your openess to share information that includes principled fact-based arguements that are "pro-peace". Kudos & Props!!!
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