09-08-2008, 08:49 AM | #111 |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
"Biblical contradictions, True or Not?" is a minefiled I don't want to wander into. I personally think there are verses that contradict each other, and Biblical literalists sometimes use fairly tortured logic to show that it aint so. More than that, I wont say.
ETA: I'm sure Yorick have something to add here.
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09-08-2008, 08:57 AM | #112 |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
I'm not referring to contradictions. I'm referring to different people being able to make different interpretations of the Bible (or other holy book) or parts of it. The two concepts are close, but not the same.
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09-08-2008, 08:58 AM | #113 |
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Whoa, this thread have grown.
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09-08-2008, 09:04 AM | #114 |
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Yeah...I should change my settings. Only 10 posts per page doesn't seem to be a lot and pages are flashing past.
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09-08-2008, 09:49 AM | #115 |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
Wow. I go to sleep for a few hours and look what happens...
The whole apes thing; I know it's been address already but I'd like to chip in. The reason that their are still apes around is the same reason you can look outside your window and NOT see an ape. Evolution is all about survivability. Adapting to your surroundings and continuing as a species. Yes, humans are probably smarter than apes, and can think their way through a situation on the path towards survival - but you and me wouldn't last a day in the middle of the rain forest. Apes and chimps who have lived there for millions of years have adapted to these surroundings, and this is why they live there, not in a pub in surrey. But the whole 'If Americans exist then why do Europeans still?' argument is just as valid. It's a combination of thousands of reasons which, over a scale of millions of years makes it together. And dplax, we've been talking about one such 'different interpretation' for a while now. Creationism: Did god create man, or did he create evolution?
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09-08-2008, 10:28 AM | #116 |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
If anyone is interested in the evolution of the eye, here's a video clip that present a model on how such an evolution can happen.
Random mutations causes slightly different eye forms among a population, and natural selection favours those who have the most efficient eyes compared to their peers.
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09-08-2008, 10:38 AM | #118 |
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You mean abiogenesis, the "creation" of life? Not surprisingly, scientists have models for that too.
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09-08-2008, 10:39 AM | #119 |
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Seriously Variol, I can tell your deeply religious and wont really be swayed.
Seems to me your the "well no answers from scientists it must be God". Seems kinda naieve and one track minded to me. We don't know where the first cells came from with 100% certainty. We have ideas. And Theories. We aren't clever enough to work it out fully. But we have so much information and data that supports these theorys, that it seems 99.9% certain that we are correct. The gravity example is the best example of this. We have never proved it exists. We have a theory and a formula, but for all we know, it could be completely wrong. Although we are 99.9% sure its correct. Who's to say, that when a meteor came from 1000000million lights years away, hit another meteor, depending on specific components of said metoer, the resulting explosion didn't fuse things together to create the first cell? We just don't know, and probably wont for an awful long time. But just because we don't know, just going "oh it must be God then", is really ludicrous in my opinion. The fact that when that church roof collapsed in and killed 100 people in Italy, all the Christians say "it was gods will". Bollocks was it. It was the fact that some shoddy builder didnt install a beam correctly and it collapsed (or whatever the TRUE reason was). I just really dont understand how people are so blinded by faith, they put everything into it. And you may doubt all our theories, but at the end of the day, we have a million answers to a million questions. Do you have one factual piece of information that can say God existed without doubt? Can you give me one piece of factual information that God existed, with only a 0.1% chance of it being right? No because it doesnt exist.... But Oh wait, there is the Turin Shroud...
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