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08-31-2007, 09:53 AM | #1 |
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Tips/advice for battlegrounds (pref. for rogue but general comments welcome)
G'day guys, I finally checked out BGs and LOVED it! I went to WSG on level 39 rogue - first time ever and I ended up with 78 kills. We lost (apparently this is usual with alliance at WSG) but it was so much fun. Some impressions first, and then some questions:
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Re: Tips/advice for battlegrounds (pref. for rogue but general comments welcome)
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09-01-2007, 01:04 PM | #3 |
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Re: Tips/advice for battlegrounds (pref. for rogue but general comments welcome)
I don't play a rogue so I can't give you specific rogue advice. However, as a paladin and a priest who plays a lot with rogue friends and a fan of rogue PvP videos, I can tell you what I like in a rogue ally.
First off, try watching skilled rogues who've made videos. My personal favorite, and one that many consider to be among the best rogues ever, is Grim. Search "Grim Total Annihilation" for his last video to get a good example of how the best of the best like to operate. Plus, it is pretty entertaining. As for battlegrounds, embrace your strengths while avoiding your weaknesses. Go after the clothies, don't worry about the meatshields. A well-placed sap before your group assaults a node can turn the tide very effectively, as does a lightning-fast assassination of a priest or mage. Identify who in your battleground is skilled, then stick to them like glue. If I see a good rogue or warrior in a battleground, I generally whisper them something along the lines of "Hey, you seem to know what you're doing. If you can keep their goons off of my back, I'll keep you healed. Sound good?". Likewise, if you find a healer who actually heals, you can offer to watch their back in exchange for some healing. As I said before, I can't give you much specific advice for the rogue class. However, I can offer a few tips in general for melee-oriented PvP. 1. You're the dual-wielding, fast-attacking guy with the leather. If you're fighting a big guy with a giant axe or whatnot, stick to them like glue while trying to keep behind him so as to cause him to miss out on attacks. When I play my paladin and use a 2-hander, I try to "joust" rogues by moving in and out of melee range, so that my single, powerful swings are connecting as often as the rogues small, weaker attacks. You need to avoid that. 2. Max out your first aid skill and use it as much as possible. Being able to bandage during a fight will often give you the edge over your opponent. You can buy a window to do this with a well-timed stun or terrain use. You should also do this when your opponent is otherwise occupied; for example, if a paladin has Blessing of Protection on himself, he can't attack. Bandage then. 3. Never give up, and don't get frustrated. There's always a chance that you can pull of an unlikely victory. You'd be surprised how many times I've come back from a 0-2 deficit in WSG to win, or pulled off a 5-cap victory in AB at the last second. 4. As much as possible, BG alongside people who you know and can count on. Being IRL friends with them is a bonus. I have a group of 70 friends that I pay WoW with and live nearby, and it really helps to know what to expect from them in a fight. I hope that helps! |
09-01-2007, 11:36 PM | #4 |
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Re: Tips/advice for battlegrounds (pref. for rogue but general comments welcome)
Well, I ended up being Raidleader (whatever that is) for my WSJ assault last night and we WON!!!! We had heaps of chat, mainly between 4 of us, which I initiated. Actually got some coordination going (although I couldn't figure out how to use the raid targeting icons) and I managed to sneak in with someone else healing me and capture one of the flags. More to come in a sec...
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09-02-2007, 01:53 AM | #5 |
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Re: Tips/advice for battlegrounds (pref. for rogue but general comments welcome)
Especially in PVP, the best tip I can give you is that, while it's great to know your class and your character well, as a rogue is all about survivability, and the best way to survive is to know what to expect from your enemies. If you want to get ahead, you are going to have to learn about other classes and what they are capable of.
As a rogue before BC, my main enemy was the Paladin and Warlock because they were a pain in the ass to kill, however once I played as them I learned more about the class and perfected my technique to take advantage of their weaknesses. Basically, do some study, see what they are able to do, and change your tactics for each class to suit. Unfortunately it's not easy to have a build that can take on anyone, but I have always believed that the key to winning comes down to skill, not gear/class/build. |
09-02-2007, 10:19 AM | #6 | |
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You will win every so often but unfortunately, due to the age imbalance and the great masses of younger people that seem to gravitate toward alliance, your games will mainly be "organized chaos" as you put it. Alliance side isn't great for PvP. For PvE however it's not bad, as there's always groups to be found etc. Then again, your AH prices are higher. Pro's and Con's .
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09-02-2007, 12:43 PM | #7 |
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Re: Tips/advice for battlegrounds (pref. for rogue but general comments welcome)
Glad your getting to grips with it.
As has been stated, alliance in PvP are usually quite bad. Only the people playing tend to be younger...they want to kill the bad guys. Best chance to win in PvP is when you are high enough to go to Alterac Valley. Alliance have a terrain advantage there. All other BG's are equal. And as for playing your rogue, know other classes. Rogues change in PvP when you hit level 66. Cloak of Shadows is imba, and nails spellcasters. Most of all, learn by playing, and have fun!
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09-18-2007, 07:12 PM | #8 |
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Re: Tips/advice for battlegrounds (pref. for rogue but general comments welcome)
Interestingly, I've noticed over the last two weeks that most of my AB and WSG games I win, while I'm only 50/50 at best in AV (I play alliance).
Lately, alliance healing classes seem much more skilled and willing to heal those who deal more damage than themselves. I usually find myself with 1 or 2 other healers in any given AB, and when we spread out to help on multiple fronts it seems that the horde just can't handle the pressure. It helps that all of their shaman are spamming Lighting Bolt and Earth Shock, of course. I've found that a good way to help your group win is to come up with a solid strategy, take command of any game you're in, and stick to the strat. In my case, I've found that all-out offense wins in WSG: Get all 10 people to zerg the flag, then meet their flag carrier in midfield, kill him, then escort your FC home. AB can generally be won by quickly zerging the BS from your start point (farm or stables), then taking the LM and holding all three nodes for the win. The mine seems to be a dead spot. I hope that helps! |
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09-18-2007, 10:12 PM | #10 |
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Re: Tips/advice for battlegrounds (pref. for rogue but general comments welcome)
You hit things.
Or take talents that do so (I know rogues have some), wear items that do so (+hit rating items). It is an important stat with dual-wield since the offhand has a % chance to miss anyways, so it is always something to consider on any DWer. Don't go overboard with it or anything.
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