10-31-2002, 10:39 AM | #91 | |
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No-one can surely claim the US is even handed in it's dealings with the Middle East, due to the power of the Jewish lobby in the US?. The Palestinians kill someone it's a terrible crime, if the Israelis do it it's self defense, I can't see the distinction myself. If anything the Paletinians are defending their territory. I would do the same if someone gave West Lothian to Israel I guess. I have no axe to grind, I am a Scotsman of solely European Christian descent but I am getting p**sed off about how the US can be so one sided and unfair. I think this is why a good proportion of the world dislikes the US. They are very much do as I say, not as I do. Israel to me seems to behave very much like a certain other power from the past, ie segregation, limited travel for one group, limited citizenship for one group, persecution of one group. Need I say more?.
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Well, what I think of this thread so far is that it takes two to tango. IMO, any reasoning leading to an opinion that one side is all white and pure and the other side is black evil is destructive to any hope of ever solving this conflict ... Also, the recurring of "the Jews" and "the Arabs" makes me really uncomfortable. Aside from sharing a common basis, Arabs and Jews all over the world are as diverse as all nuances of a rainbow. I believe that, as in any large group of people, both Jews and Arabs have their share of extremists, and that it is these extremists we are seeing in action in that conflict. And please, those who did, don't use the word "race". There is only one human race on the earth, homo sapiens sapiens, it has been so since the disappearance of the Neanderthal humans 30 000 years ago.
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10-31-2002, 11:15 AM | #94 | |
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Regarding the US being one-sided. I am of a mind that if the rest of the Arab world and the Soviets would have kept their noses out of the whole affair, the US wouldn't need have needed to participate in the first place. Early actions (Documented so succinctly by Magik) caused us to get involved, and we have been ever since (even though these days the Israeli's hardly need our help... save at perhaps a political level) I also believe that many of the onorous restrictions on Arabs in Israel and the occupied territories are a RESULT of the conflict, not a cause. When one is attacked I think it's reasonable to take steps to limit your exposure to further attack. Pertaining to possession of Jerusalem and again to treatment of Arabs, I would also suggest we look at a scenario where Arabs were in possession of Jerusalem... what would be the likely living conditions of non-Muslem's in such a place? Having a number of times been less than 50 miles from Mecca (a place I'd dearly love to visit) and been unable to take a cab there (because I'd have been under penalty of death if I did)... I tend to think that non-Muslims would have very limited access to a Palestinian Jerusalem. My modest research has turned up some biased treatement of Arabs with Israeli citizenship, and I definitely don't agree with that... but I have absolutely no doubt that Jews living in an Arab nation would be at least as "constrained" as the opposite situation. |
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10-31-2002, 11:22 AM | #95 |
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Oh, wow, I was forgetting to even think about the Soviet role in events in the middle east in the 60's, 70's, 80's and to lesser extents in the 90's. Cool, glad someone brought that up.
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10-31-2002, 11:24 AM | #96 |
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MagiK, I've wondered lately if you have gotten more argumentative on your posts. But, I really don't think you have. I think something was skewing my perception. I thought about it, and I've decided that Dreadnoks avatar makes you look mean.
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10-31-2002, 11:26 AM | #97 | |
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I hope that this does represent GWB's thoughts on the subject - he's suppossed to be in charge.
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But, Israelis by no means have clean hands. First, do the math: from what I've noticed, for every 1 sraeli killed by a bomber there are several retributory deaths. Sharon's enemies pay in spades. Moreover, Sharon himself is a totem poster-boy of Israel's wrongs: but please don't be offended by *me,* Mr. Butcher (Sharon, not MagiK lol), as I'd hate to be on the wrong side of your anger. Seriously, though, Israel's really stirring the pot, and has been for a couple of years. They decided when Sharon came into office that they were fed up, and they've been rather intractable since. Look, during the most recent "let's see how much we can mess with Arafat's compound" episode, Israel actually rappelled a few troops on top of the compound, where they subsequently ran the Israeli flag up the pole and left. Now that's chutzpah. And it only instigates more violence. At some point, the tit-for-tat becomes ridiculous, and no side can be said to be "defensive" - both are simply "offensive." as far as I'm concerned. [ 10-31-2002, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ] |
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