A POLL on the Aurora Toolset - Page 2

Memnoch · 08-22-2002, 10:21 AM

On the plus side, I've got a bard singing "Stairway To Heaven" in my tavern as a custom sound.

Click here for instructions on how.

[ 08-22-2002, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

magnetism · 08-22-2002, 11:59 AM

I like your style memnoch....

The Hunter of Jahanna · 08-22-2002, 07:56 PM

GGGAAHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!! mustnot .....hear .....stairway to heaven..ears ....will...........................bleed!

Memnoch · 08-23-2002, 03:59 AM

Only problem is, my bard just sits there and waves his arms (that's the extent of the animations available in the game). I've been trying to find out if anyone's created any guitar/harp/musical instrument models that can be imported as a HakPak that he can use...does anyone know of any? ???

WOLFGIR · 08-23-2002, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Memnoch:
Only problem is, my bard just sits there and waves his arms (that's the extent of the animations available in the game). I've been trying to find out if anyone's created any guitar/harp/musical instrument models that can be imported as a HakPak that he can use...does anyone know of any? ???

Hey! I saw a NWN disco hak pak somewhere!!

I will try and find it again!

I don´t know where I found it! ARRRRGH!! I saw it though.

Well here you have another link with some tutorials Memnoche!
http://nwvault.ign.com/modules/tutorials/viewlets/

(Edit note, oki, I was partly right partly wrong, this be the link to the disco:
http://nwn.bioware.com/downloads/module_danceclub.html
but it is mostly about music and adding lights.. :S solly!)

[ 08-23-2002, 04:12 AM: Message edited by: WOLFGIR ]

Memnoch · 08-23-2002, 06:36 AM

I've checked all those tutorials out - they're mainly to do with toolset functionality, which I have no problem with. Scripting's the steepest learning curve for me at the moment. But those NWVault tutorials are good for anyone unfamiliar with the toolset.

As for my bard...I managed to find some custom models that one of the Bio mods had put together for a bard with a lute - it would have been perfect except for the fact that the bard is female. Oh well - maybe she can be the musician and my NPC bard (unsurprisingly his name is Led Zeppelin

) can be the singer. I think I can pull this one off.

It's getting to the point where I want to learn how to do EVERYTHING - script, come up with models, reskin, etc. Patience has never been one of my strong points, and I will readily admit to singlemindedess being a flaw of mine.

WOLFGIR · 08-23-2002, 06:56 AM

Well the skinning seems to build on the famous Quake skinning, so I don´t think it will be too much of a hassle there.

The wireframe construction can be a bit tricky though, been too long since I opened 3DS Max.. :S

Glorfindel · 08-23-2002, 07:40 AM

I just did the look at other peoples mods... and scripting... well I sort of try everynow and again to learn how to do things with it... but I cant even figure out how to get an NPC to give the PC an item

[img]tongue.gif[/img]

AndyG · 08-23-2002, 10:05 AM

Stairway to Heaven is okay, just don't have him sing that Eminem song that starts out like Stairway to Heaven.

banzai · 08-23-2002, 12:11 PM

Regarding the Aurora toolset my main points of criticizm are the instability and bad documentation.
Earning my living with the software development thing for quite some years now I think I had enough opportunities to compare.
The toolkit is a form of RAD environment (RAD = rapid application development). Its instability will go away with time and patches but the lack of docs and examples is quite a showstopper for me - things like a conclusive reference of its scripting language, good examples of basic to advanced features and charts of object / functional models (even if they are flat or non-hierarchical) etc.
In my experience oftimes things like this decide about success or failure in the slightly longer run - people start to get bored if they always have to use the same basic features because the rest is virtually non-documented and hard to come by ...

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08-22-2002, 10:21 AM	#11
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	On the plus side, I've got a bard singing "Stairway To Heaven" in my tavern as a custom sound. Click here for instructions on how. [ 08-22-2002, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ] __________________

08-22-2002, 11:59 AM	#12
magnetism Manshoon Join Date: November 5, 2001 Location: Napa Valley Age: 51 Posts: 166	I like your style memnoch.... __________________ Magneticus prefers, like a cat, to play with a mouse that squeaks.

08-22-2002, 07:56 PM	#13
The Hunter of Jahanna Emerald Dragon Join Date: September 25, 2001 Location: NY , NY Age: 63 Posts: 960	GGGAAHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!! mustnot .....hear .....stairway to heaven..ears ....will...........................bleed! __________________ \"How much do I love you?? I\'ll tell you one thing, it\'d be a whole hell of a lot more if you stopped nagging me and made me a friggin sandwich.\"

08-23-2002, 03:59 AM	#14
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	Only problem is, my bard just sits there and waves his arms (that's the extent of the animations available in the game). I've been trying to find out if anyone's created any guitar/harp/musical instrument models that can be imported as a HakPak that he can use...does anyone know of any? ??? __________________

08-23-2002, 06:36 AM	#16
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	I've checked all those tutorials out - they're mainly to do with toolset functionality, which I have no problem with. Scripting's the steepest learning curve for me at the moment. But those NWVault tutorials are good for anyone unfamiliar with the toolset. As for my bard...I managed to find some custom models that one of the Bio mods had put together for a bard with a lute - it would have been perfect except for the fact that the bard is female. Oh well - maybe she can be the musician and my NPC bard (unsurprisingly his name is Led Zeppelin ) can be the singer. I think I can pull this one off. It's getting to the point where I want to learn how to do EVERYTHING - script, come up with models, reskin, etc. Patience has never been one of my strong points, and I will readily admit to singlemindedess being a flaw of mine. __________________

08-23-2002, 06:56 AM	#17
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 3,450	Well the skinning seems to build on the famous Quake skinning, so I don´t think it will be too much of a hassle there. The wireframe construction can be a bit tricky though, been too long since I opened 3DS Max.. :S __________________ Don´t eat the yellow snow

08-23-2002, 07:40 AM	#18
Glorfindel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Mt. Gambier, Australia Age: 36 Posts: 3,337	I just did the look at other peoples mods... and scripting... well I sort of try everynow and again to learn how to do things with it... but I cant even figure out how to get an NPC to give the PC an item [img]tongue.gif[/img]

08-23-2002, 10:05 AM	#19
AndyG Elminster Join Date: June 20, 2002 Location: Manchester, CT Age: 55 Posts: 422	Stairway to Heaven is okay, just don't have him sing that Eminem song that starts out like Stairway to Heaven.

08-23-2002, 12:11 PM	#20
banzai Manshoon Join Date: December 3, 2001 Location: Germany Age: 59 Posts: 199	Regarding the Aurora toolset my main points of criticizm are the instability and bad documentation. Earning my living with the software development thing for quite some years now I think I had enough opportunities to compare. The toolkit is a form of RAD environment (RAD = rapid application development). Its instability will go away with time and patches but the lack of docs and examples is quite a showstopper for me - things like a conclusive reference of its scripting language, good examples of basic to advanced features and charts of object / functional models (even if they are flat or non-hierarchical) etc. In my experience oftimes things like this decide about success or failure in the slightly longer run - people start to get bored if they always have to use the same basic features because the rest is virtually non-documented and hard to come by ... __________________ Die groessten Elche sind selber welche ...

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