Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones

[Animal]

It's science FICTION, meant to entertain. Kinda like RPG's! I understand your point about the hype being everywhere you turn, but Lucasfilm is attempting to recreate the success of the original trilogy, much the same as game developers do when creating a sequel. The odd one gets it right (BG2), but most fail to compare with the original even as none of the Star Wars movies even comes close to meeting the magic of the Original Star Wars: A new hope

[K T Ong]

Well, I've watched 5- to 10-minute chunks of the SW movies in shop windows etc, and they honestly don't strike a chord in me at all. A couple of scenes are admittedly kinda pretty -- and that's about it for me. If they were comedies (which they aren't meant to be, not by a long way) -- okay, then I'd like them.

That much said, I do like the SW satire Spaceballs. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Arnabas]

Just a thought on the subject of the "hodge-podge of high tech stuffand pseudo-religious mumbo-jumbo":
Just because advances are made in technology does not mean that the divine ceases to exist. Look at our own world today. Science is advancing in leaps and bounds and yet many people are returning to older religious views. Paganism and new-age religions are making a comeback. They need not be mutually exclusive.

[K T Ong]

Perhaps not, but do they go together? Do you find scientists appealing to some divine power as an integral part of their research work?

No.

[Arnabas]

No.
But in Star Wars (as of Phantom Menace, anyway) the Force is a scientifically quantifiable phenomenon. It is proven to exist and is therefore not quite the same as real life religions which must rely on faith.

[K T Ong]

Mitochondria, right? (I believe I've got the spelling right. )

Dunno, but it remains true for me that there isn't much in the way of an intellectually mature rationale for all the stuff one finds in SW. Just formidable-looking words like 'mitochondria' won't work for me. Perhaps if you had, say, some kind of well-worked-out occult system, perhaps based on Hermeticism or the Kaballah (rather than some Oriental tradition you don't know much about, as witness what dear uncle Lucas did), which really enables you to manipulate the forces of nature while also obviously having a religious bearing to it, that would help for me. But SW just doesn't give me that kind of feel, that kind of impression. Those spaceships and robots and power reactors etc etc simply don't look like they're the product of some occult or at least semi-occult paradigm. They look like the product of cold, mechanistic science. Where's the religion in it?

[ 05-16-2002, 10:43 PM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

[Daniel]

Originally posted by K T Ong: That much said, I do like the SW satire Spaceballs. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Use the Swartz

[K T Ong]

That's schwartz.

Yes, I will, I will!

[Arnabas]

Hmm... I think it's mitochloreans.
Mitochondria are in Parasite Eve (and actually do exist, but don't give you super powers. Rats. )
Anyhow, far be it from me to defend STar Wars. I am kind of iffy on it. I like the series, but not with the passion of some others.

[Gammit]

First, let me say that the movie was incredible. I agree that the dialogue slowed down the movie, but then again I think it was neccessary to tell the story properly.

Second, sorry if you don't like the movie and can't get away from it. Imagine going through life (and midwestern American public schools) as a non-christian... it's everywhere you look. Your pain is understood.

Third, the Star Wars Movies talk about "midichloreans" (mid-ee-klor-ee-ans) which all life forms have (but Jedis have more).

Fourth, we have "mitochondria," which change the stuff we eat into energy (in the rough sense).

Fifth, Spaceballs ruled, and I'm STILL waiting for its "sequal" Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money.

[ 05-17-2002, 12:50 AM: Message edited by: Gammit ]