09-25-2004, 06:43 PM | #11 |
Apophis
Join Date: July 29, 2003
Location: The Underdark cavern of Zagreb
Age: 37
Posts: 4,679
|
If I may, I'd like to add a few points
4. The global warming can not induce storms. Why? Hot air moves higher into the atmosphere, while the cold air moves on the lower, as it has more weight. Even if we're talking in the extreme, like a +5 degrees warming of the cold air, it would mean that the two airs' temperatures would be closer together, and their movement patterns wouldn't be as violent. The air is heated by the surface of the earth, not by sun beams, meaning only the lower atmosphere is actually affected by it. So yes, if anything, it would mean less storms. As for the weird hurricane season, I think it's because of the weird once-in-dozens-years occurence with the hurricane and the tsuname seasons' winds cumulating the air pressure differences in the Pacific. IMHO.
__________________
MAKE LOVE, NOT SPAM! |
09-25-2004, 07:33 PM | #12 |
Drow Warrior
Join Date: June 29, 2001
Location: the pale blue dot...
Age: 44
Posts: 294
|
1. you can't compare global climate models with local short-term weather predictions. both are plagued by different and specific problems, though both also are getting better and more reliable.
2. the difference in solar luminosity between the solar maximum and minimum is about 0.1%, which corresponds to a mean global temperature difference of only about 0.1K, if even that much. 3. that's true, global climate variations have been far greater than the 0.1K temperature increase over the last century. but the facts cannot be ignored - first, increased concentrations of greenhouse gasses lead to an increased greenhouse effect. second, carbon dioxide is the chief greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, other important ones being water vapour (whose concetration increases with higher temperatures) and methane. third, carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere is up 20% in the last 40 years. my guess is this does have an effect on global weather. how much of an effect, we can't be sure for now. |
09-25-2004, 10:43 PM | #13 | |
Ironworks Webmaster
Join Date: January 4, 2001
Location: Lakeland, Florida
Age: 51
Posts: 11,720
|
Quote:
__________________
Ziroc™ Ironworks Gaming Webmaster www.ironworksgaming.com The Great Escape Studios - 2D/3D Modeling www.tgeweb.com & Ziroc's Facebook Page Visit My Flickr Photo Album |
|
09-25-2004, 10:45 PM | #14 |
Ironworks Webmaster
Join Date: January 4, 2001
Location: Lakeland, Florida
Age: 51
Posts: 11,720
|
Oh yeah, Arvon, why did the Larson B Ice Shelf all melt and collapse then? It's been there for 1000's of years. The sun isn't getting hotter, it's the clouds reflecting heat back down onto earth much of the time.
__________________
Ziroc™ Ironworks Gaming Webmaster www.ironworksgaming.com The Great Escape Studios - 2D/3D Modeling www.tgeweb.com & Ziroc's Facebook Page Visit My Flickr Photo Album |
09-25-2004, 10:57 PM | #15 |
40th Level Warrior
Join Date: October 29, 2001
Location: Western Wilds of Michigan
Posts: 11,752
|
Clouds do act as insulation, keeping the heat in longer. So there is something to that.
However, this many hurricanes... man, I've *got* to tell you we don't get those in Meeeshigan [img]smile.gif[/img] Now, blizzards... that's another story Remember also that the extent of man's recorded weather tracking is less than two centuries old, in many ways. As a measure of the long-term activities of weather on earth, that's kind of like deciding on the results of a sporting match after the first minute of play...
__________________
*B* Save Early, Save Often Save Before, Save After Two-Star General, Spelling Soldiers -+-+-+ Give 'em a hug one more time. It might be the last. |
09-27-2004, 03:17 PM | #16 |
Baaz Draconian
Join Date: August 22, 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia.
Age: 39
Posts: 737
|
Yikes... lol... everyone is a weather expert
Thanks for the replies, and discussions guys. Anyhoo, I just hope this whole hurricane thing blows over REAL quick... |
09-28-2004, 11:25 PM | #17 | |
Symbol of Cyric
Join Date: August 19, 2001
Location: Portland, Oregon
Age: 45
Posts: 1,224
|
Quote:
1. In most cases the climatologist can't even tell you what the weather is going to be next week much thirty years out. 2. We are and have been, in the past few years, in a solar maximum. Mr Sun is doing the heating not you in your Toyota or SUV. 3. These climate changes have been going on for eons, long before man, and will go on long after man. [/QUOTE]Aye, the "hole in the ozone layer" is a bunch of crap. ITS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE!! it always has, it always will be. It has something to do with "free radicals" or something like that. It is what creates our entire atmosphere. I will do some quick research on it and post more in depth info ASAP.
__________________
Morgan Corbesant, Elven BladeSinger, Captain of the army of the Seldarine<br /><br /> [img]\"http://www.rleeermey.com/images/linkbanners/usmcredwhiteblue.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Protector of Elves<br />Slayer of Orcs<br /><br />ALL YOUR BASE, ARE BELONG TO US!!!<br />I DON\'T FIGHT FOR HONOR, I FIGHT TO WIN!<br />\"One who is a samurai must before all things keep constantly in mind, by day and by night...the fact that he has to die\". <br />-Daidoji Yuzan-<br />16th Century |
|
09-28-2004, 11:30 PM | #18 |
Symbol of Cyric
Join Date: August 19, 2001
Location: Portland, Oregon
Age: 45
Posts: 1,224
|
Oh, I may be wrong on that last post, I'm kinda tired and my mind is on other stuff but I'm almost certain that is what I meant to say. >Shrug< we'll see after research tomorrow.
__________________
Morgan Corbesant, Elven BladeSinger, Captain of the army of the Seldarine<br /><br /> [img]\"http://www.rleeermey.com/images/linkbanners/usmcredwhiteblue.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Protector of Elves<br />Slayer of Orcs<br /><br />ALL YOUR BASE, ARE BELONG TO US!!!<br />I DON\'T FIGHT FOR HONOR, I FIGHT TO WIN!<br />\"One who is a samurai must before all things keep constantly in mind, by day and by night...the fact that he has to die\". <br />-Daidoji Yuzan-<br />16th Century |
09-29-2004, 12:13 AM | #19 |
Elminster
Join Date: August 29, 2004
Location: Usa!!
Age: 36
Posts: 411
|
Wow flordia has been getting hit hard lately.. That sucks..
__________________
[img]\"http://img83.exs.cx/img83/3858/Gxc.gif\" alt=\" - \" /> |
09-29-2004, 07:01 PM | #20 | |
John Locke
Join Date: February 7, 2002
Location: Edmonton, Canada
Age: 35
Posts: 8,985
|
Quote:
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Damn, ANOTHER Hurricane coming to Florida! | Ziroc | General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) | 32 | 09-05-2004 11:35 PM |
Hurricane preparation in Florida | Bungleau | General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) | 7 | 09-01-2004 11:20 AM |
Hurricane Charley devastates Florida | Dreamer128 | General Discussion | 2 | 08-14-2004 02:25 PM |
Tonight (Sunday Night) We're having a huge game!! | Ziroc | NWN Mod: Escape from Undermountain | 10 | 06-30-2003 01:08 AM |
Feels like an echo chamber in here... Sunday night.... | Charean | General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) | 21 | 11-04-2002 07:17 AM |