NWN2 expansion

Knightscape · 04-12-2007, 09:03 PM

Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of The Betrayer

http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=42118

Larry_OHF · 04-12-2007, 09:57 PM

Wow...that was fast!

robertthebard · 04-12-2007, 10:48 PM

I'll have my new gaming rig in a few weeks, and I'll be able to finally play NWN 2. I'll see about the expansion after that.

SpiritWarrior · 04-12-2007, 10:55 PM

Too fast. NWN2 isn't even "fixed" yet. This pretty much assures me that it never will be.

I guess then the NWN2 toolset and MPer are officially "working as expected" since they're already undoubtebly focusing on this expansion. Ah well. As always, boo Atari.

robertthebard · 04-13-2007, 12:11 AM

Perhaps they intend to complete some of the repairs needed in the expansion. As I recall, it took a while to get all the bugs out of NWN's, and from what I've been reading, there are still some. I can't make any snap judgements about NWN's 2 just yet, but, I will be able to come to some conclusions soon. From what I've been discussing with my building partner from 1, however, it's not that bad. He didn't go into any details, but some of the scripting work he's turning out is amazing.

SpiritWarrior · 04-13-2007, 02:48 AM

Well, even if they did complete the repairs in the expansion it would still be the usual Atari number of paying for bugfixes that come months later and aren't free like they should be. Whatever happend to Atari vowing to be nicer to it's customers after admitting it basically treated them like crap all these years? Someone posted an article there a few months back.

My 2 copper:

I think personally the game is terrible from a building point of view. Sure, there are the new capabilites one would expect with any game-design tool of this day and age, but the program itself feels so non-intuitive and proprietry that I end up missing the old Aurora so badly. When you do manage to accomplish something neat, it seems to take a lot longer than it should to design it. And believe me, I was so looking forward to an "upgraded" toolset as much as the next guy. After a week or so of messing around, I finally realized that if I ever did want to go back to making mods and hosting servers, there's no way NWN2 would make it practical.

MP is butchered with the whole walkmesh crapola. You can't glide or surf through servers anymore, the way you did in NWN1. MP is no longer an "online adventure" where you'd meet all kinds of different people in all kinds of different worlds at the click of a mouse. Compared to it's predecessor the online world is empty, dead. There are nothing even close to the number of people online that there was with part 1, just a few people that I could see scattered around. Tons of empty servers and a lot less servers in total. So with the walkmesh issue and the fact that at release, most people couldn't play the game properly offline anyways so didn't even dare to try it in multiplayer, they have dealt the game a serious (and fatal) blow from day one.

Despite some patches, it is still indeed a system hog, so do make sure your new rig has a nice card to play it smoothly, especially if you're thinking of going online.

Calaethis Dragonsbane · 04-13-2007, 05:07 AM

I wonder if they intend to solely (or almost) include the 'cut content' as 'new classes' and whatnot. If anyone opens up the toolset and checks the 2da files... you'll find several cut classes, such as shifter, mystic theurge, sacred fist and others.

robertthebard · 04-13-2007, 07:29 AM

More than likely they ran out of time, and had to shelf them. There is no doubt that 2 was rushed to the shelves, no doubt at all. This is expansion is rather quick, but I am going to give them a chance with the whole game until I can actually play it. As I've said from the beginning, MP'er is what I prefer with NWN's. If they made it more hassle than it's worth, I won't stick with it, and I surely won't be buying expansions.

As to the rig, I'm starting with the 7600GT, and will soon add a second. My partner is running a single card, and he seems to be doing ok with it. At least he's not complaining to me, overmuch. The last thing I want to come off as is a fanboy, but I'll trust his opinions of it. He has mentioned the walkmesh thing, and I believe that SpiritWarrior posted something similar to what I've said in the past. My buddy list used to be quite full of players that I met wandering the realms, and that is firmly impossible with the sequel. I sincerely hope the pretties are worth it.

toot033 · 04-13-2007, 10:34 AM

I remember putting a post out a while back in regards to this. Rogue Dao studios is making a Planescape expansion for NWN2. ( I have yet to finish it)

toot033 · 04-13-2007, 10:30 PM

Here is a link to the Rogue Dao site. The first mod (single player) looks pretty interesting.
http://www.roguedao.com/

04-12-2007, 09:03 PM	#1
Knightscape Manshoon Join Date: October 4, 2001 Location: Canada Age: 17 Posts: 158	Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of The Betrayer http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=42118 __________________ If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it. W. C. Fields

04-12-2007, 10:48 PM	#3
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 60 Posts: 4,537	I'll have my new gaming rig in a few weeks, and I'll be able to finally play NWN 2. I'll see about the expansion after that. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Good Music: Here. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

04-12-2007, 10:55 PM	#4
SpiritWarrior Jack Burton Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,854	Too fast. NWN2 isn't even "fixed" yet. This pretty much assures me that it never will be. I guess then the NWN2 toolset and MPer are officially "working as expected" since they're already undoubtebly focusing on this expansion. Ah well. As always, boo Atari. __________________ Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon...

04-13-2007, 12:11 AM	#5
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 60 Posts: 4,537	Perhaps they intend to complete some of the repairs needed in the expansion. As I recall, it took a while to get all the bugs out of NWN's, and from what I've been reading, there are still some. I can't make any snap judgements about NWN's 2 just yet, but, I will be able to come to some conclusions soon. From what I've been discussing with my building partner from 1, however, it's not that bad. He didn't go into any details, but some of the scripting work he's turning out is amazing. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Good Music: Here. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

04-13-2007, 02:48 AM	#6
SpiritWarrior Jack Burton Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,854	Well, even if they did complete the repairs in the expansion it would still be the usual Atari number of paying for bugfixes that come months later and aren't free like they should be. Whatever happend to Atari vowing to be nicer to it's customers after admitting it basically treated them like crap all these years? Someone posted an article there a few months back. My 2 copper: I think personally the game is terrible from a building point of view. Sure, there are the new capabilites one would expect with any game-design tool of this day and age, but the program itself feels so non-intuitive and proprietry that I end up missing the old Aurora so badly. When you do manage to accomplish something neat, it seems to take a lot longer than it should to design it. And believe me, I was so looking forward to an "upgraded" toolset as much as the next guy. After a week or so of messing around, I finally realized that if I ever did want to go back to making mods and hosting servers, there's no way NWN2 would make it practical. MP is butchered with the whole walkmesh crapola. You can't glide or surf through servers anymore, the way you did in NWN1. MP is no longer an "online adventure" where you'd meet all kinds of different people in all kinds of different worlds at the click of a mouse. Compared to it's predecessor the online world is empty, dead. There are nothing even close to the number of people online that there was with part 1, just a few people that I could see scattered around. Tons of empty servers and a lot less servers in total. So with the walkmesh issue and the fact that at release, most people couldn't play the game properly offline anyways so didn't even dare to try it in multiplayer, they have dealt the game a serious (and fatal) blow from day one. Despite some patches, it is still indeed a system hog, so do make sure your new rig has a nice card to play it smoothly, especially if you're thinking of going online. __________________ Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon...

04-12-2007, 09:57 PM	#2
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 48 Posts: 14,759	Wow...that was fast!

04-13-2007, 05:07 AM	#7
Calaethis Dragonsbane Legion Symbol Join Date: May 29, 2002 Location: Somewhere in between Age: 39 Posts: 7,029	I wonder if they intend to solely (or almost) include the 'cut content' as 'new classes' and whatnot. If anyone opens up the toolset and checks the 2da files... you'll find several cut classes, such as shifter, mystic theurge, sacred fist and others. __________________ Skydracgrrl: Cruelty, thy name is Cal! --- There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, none so deaf as those who refuse to hear, and none so smelly as those who refuse to bathe.

04-13-2007, 07:29 AM	#8
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 60 Posts: 4,537	More than likely they ran out of time, and had to shelf them. There is no doubt that 2 was rushed to the shelves, no doubt at all. This is expansion is rather quick, but I am going to give them a chance with the whole game until I can actually play it. As I've said from the beginning, MP'er is what I prefer with NWN's. If they made it more hassle than it's worth, I won't stick with it, and I surely won't be buying expansions. As to the rig, I'm starting with the 7600GT, and will soon add a second. My partner is running a single card, and he seems to be doing ok with it. At least he's not complaining to me, overmuch. The last thing I want to come off as is a fanboy, but I'll trust his opinions of it. He has mentioned the walkmesh thing, and I believe that SpiritWarrior posted something similar to what I've said in the past. My buddy list used to be quite full of players that I met wandering the realms, and that is firmly impossible with the sequel. I sincerely hope the pretties are worth it. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Good Music: Here. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

04-13-2007, 10:34 AM	#9
toot033 Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 13, 2006 Location: The Redneck Riviera Age: 56 Posts: 892	I remember putting a post out a while back in regards to this. Rogue Dao studios is making a Planescape expansion for NWN2. ( I have yet to finish it) __________________ 'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan

04-13-2007, 10:30 PM	#10
toot033 Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 13, 2006 Location: The Redneck Riviera Age: 56 Posts: 892	Here is a link to the Rogue Dao site. The first mod (single player) looks pretty interesting. http://www.roguedao.com/ __________________ 'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan

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