Anyone who speaks Welsh, please read

Arnabas · 11-22-2002, 04:33 PM

Well, for a few weeks we've been narrowing down baby names. We decided a long time ago on a girl's name, but have been working on a boy's name (we find out Monday which one we'll need). Being of at least partly Welsh descent, I want to take a Welsh name. We found a few we like, but I need help with pronounciation. Mouse found me a nice guide, but I am still somewhat unsure. So... Does anyone know the proper pronounciation of "Gweirydd"? I am assuming it to be (hard "g") Gerr idd, but am not certain. Any help would be great.

DragonMage · 11-22-2002, 05:25 PM

Please, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's close to

Gwerith...

This from paying close attention to Katherine Kerr's pronunciation guide in her Deverry/Westlands novels...she uses quite a bit of Gaelic (sp?) in there.

Mouse · 11-22-2002, 05:31 PM

Not 100% sure, but I believe the "w" is not entirely silent, therefore......

Gwerr-idd (stress in the first syllable) would be my best bet

Spelca · 11-22-2002, 05:37 PM

Hiya. [img]smile.gif[/img]
I asked a friend that speaks Welsh (or so he says [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) and he said you pronounce it as 'Gwayr-eeth'' (th as in 'this'). Stress on the first syllable.

[ 11-22-2002, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: Spelca ]

Davros · 11-22-2002, 05:42 PM

A little explanation from the book that DM is using :

" Deverry is a P-Celtic language - although closely related to Welsh, Cornish and Breton, it is by no means identical to any of these actula languages, and should never be taken as such.

DD is the voiced "th" as in thin or breathe - if your using the harsher form (ie The or breath) then you use TH

Y is never a consonant

DW, GW, and TW are single sounds as in Gwendolyn or twit"

So in Deverry speak, it comes out as "Gwerith". How close this is to actual Welsh remains to be discovered. I imagine it won't be too far different.

Spelca · 11-22-2002, 05:47 PM

Hmm... Now a Welsh friend said it's like 'g-wye-rith'. Hmms... Maybe it's better if you ignore me. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Davros · 11-22-2002, 05:48 PM

Sorry, missed a bit more from the book :

"Y as the "i" in machine when long (ie like the "ee" in teeth), and the "e" in butter when short"

So adding that in, in Deveryy speak we get :

Gweirydd = Gwer-eeth

That is fairly close to what the welsh speaking guy suggested.

By the way, I notice our signature has huge ........... tracts of land [img]smile.gif[/img]

DragonMage · 11-22-2002, 06:51 PM

LMAO @ Davros! Someone else well versed in Kerr's works...

Even though she 'made up' the language, I was always of the impression the pronunciations were supposed to reflect the 'real deal'.

If I'm wrong, please forgive me... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Arnabas · 11-22-2002, 09:24 PM

Thanks everyone. [img]smile.gif[/img]
I was actually hoping my guess had been a bit closer, but...
Sounds a bit... unwieldly... Maybe I'll keep looking. In the meantime, if any of you get confirmation as to the pronounciation, let me know.

[ 11-22-2002, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Arnabas ]

Davros · 11-23-2002, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DragonMage:
LMAO @ Davros! Someone else well versed in Kerr's works...

Even though she 'made up' the language, I was always of the impression the pronunciations were supposed to reflect the 'real deal'.

If I'm wrong, please forgive me... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hi DM - I agree with you totally - I am also of the impression that the pronunciations reflect the real deal. Obviously though, there are are some inherent differences between the three languages, and I suspect she put in the "rider' clause to prevent a whole bunch of fans arguing over linguistics. What with the guy on the thread asking for exact pronunciation I thought I better include the escape clause in my quotation [img]smile.gif[/img] .

In fact, the only unread book in my whole library is a Katherine Kerr - better makes some time to start that one - it has been towards the bottom of my "new books I have bought to read" pile for a long time , and has at last seen the light of day

11-22-2002, 04:33 PM	#1
Arnabas Baaz Draconian Join Date: October 11, 2001 Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada Age: 53 Posts: 721	Well, for a few weeks we've been narrowing down baby names. We decided a long time ago on a girl's name, but have been working on a boy's name (we find out Monday which one we'll need). Being of at least partly Welsh descent, I want to take a Welsh name. We found a few we like, but I need help with pronounciation. Mouse found me a nice guide, but I am still somewhat unsure. So... Does anyone know the proper pronounciation of "Gweirydd"? I am assuming it to be (hard "g") Gerr idd, but am not certain. Any help would be great. __________________ Est Sularis oth Mithas

11-22-2002, 05:25 PM	#2
DragonMage 20th Level Warrior Join Date: September 6, 2001 Location: The lighter side of life, a.k.a. Newnan, Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 2,767	Please, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's close to Gwerith... This from paying close attention to Katherine Kerr's pronunciation guide in her Deverry/Westlands novels...she uses quite a bit of Gaelic (sp?) in there. __________________ [img]\"http://home.earthlink.net/~moraine_sedai/_uimages/dragonmage.gif\" alt=\" - \" /> [img]\"ubb/noncgi/smiles/hero2.gif\" alt=\" - \" /> <br />Alureth...Dragon friend of Lady Breanna<br /><br />Co-Owner/Operator of the Evil Petting Zoo and devout member of the HADB clan.<br />Commander of the Dragon Fleet, IW Peacekeeping Force<br />Mother Hen of IW and Mage extraordinaire.<br /><br />Utterly in love with my soul mate, Hiram.

11-22-2002, 05:31 PM	#3
Mouse Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,788	Not 100% sure, but I believe the "w" is not entirely silent, therefore...... Gwerr-idd (stress in the first syllable) would be my best bet __________________ Regards Mouse (Occasional crooner and all round friendly Scottish rodent)

11-22-2002, 05:37 PM	#4
Spelca Emerald Dragon Join Date: January 3, 2002 Location: From Slovenia, in Sweden Age: 42 Posts: 931	Hiya. [img]smile.gif[/img] I asked a friend that speaks Welsh (or so he says [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) and he said you pronounce it as 'Gwayr-eeth'' (th as in 'this'). Stress on the first syllable. [ 11-22-2002, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: Spelca ] __________________ At one time or another there will be a choice: you or the wall. (J. Winterson)

11-22-2002, 05:42 PM	#5
Davros Takhisis Follower Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Mandurah, West Australia Age: 60 Posts: 5,073	A little explanation from the book that DM is using : " Deverry is a P-Celtic language - although closely related to Welsh, Cornish and Breton, it is by no means identical to any of these actula languages, and should never be taken as such. DD is the voiced "th" as in thin or breathe - if your using the harsher form (ie The or breath) then you use TH Y is never a consonant DW, GW, and TW are single sounds as in Gwendolyn or twit" So in Deverry speak, it comes out as "Gwerith". How close this is to actual Welsh remains to be discovered. I imagine it won't be too far different. __________________ Davros was right - just ask JD

11-22-2002, 05:47 PM	#6
Spelca Emerald Dragon Join Date: January 3, 2002 Location: From Slovenia, in Sweden Age: 42 Posts: 931	Hmm... Now a Welsh friend said it's like 'g-wye-rith'. Hmms... Maybe it's better if you ignore me. [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ At one time or another there will be a choice: you or the wall. (J. Winterson)

11-22-2002, 05:48 PM	#7
Davros Takhisis Follower Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Mandurah, West Australia Age: 60 Posts: 5,073	Sorry, missed a bit more from the book : "Y as the "i" in machine when long (ie like the "ee" in teeth), and the "e" in butter when short" So adding that in, in Deveryy speak we get : Gweirydd = Gwer-eeth That is fairly close to what the welsh speaking guy suggested. By the way, I notice our signature has huge ........... tracts of land [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Davros was right - just ask JD

11-22-2002, 06:51 PM	#8
DragonMage 20th Level Warrior Join Date: September 6, 2001 Location: The lighter side of life, a.k.a. Newnan, Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 2,767	LMAO @ Davros! Someone else well versed in Kerr's works... Even though she 'made up' the language, I was always of the impression the pronunciations were supposed to reflect the 'real deal'. If I'm wrong, please forgive me... [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ [img]\"http://home.earthlink.net/~moraine_sedai/_uimages/dragonmage.gif\" alt=\" - \" /> [img]\"ubb/noncgi/smiles/hero2.gif\" alt=\" - \" /> <br />Alureth...Dragon friend of Lady Breanna<br /><br />Co-Owner/Operator of the Evil Petting Zoo and devout member of the HADB clan.<br />Commander of the Dragon Fleet, IW Peacekeeping Force<br />Mother Hen of IW and Mage extraordinaire.<br /><br />Utterly in love with my soul mate, Hiram.

11-22-2002, 09:24 PM	#9
Arnabas Baaz Draconian Join Date: October 11, 2001 Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada Age: 53 Posts: 721	Thanks everyone. [img]smile.gif[/img] I was actually hoping my guess had been a bit closer, but... Sounds a bit... unwieldly... Maybe I'll keep looking. In the meantime, if any of you get confirmation as to the pronounciation, let me know. [ 11-22-2002, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Arnabas ] __________________ Est Sularis oth Mithas

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