09-22-2003, 11:21 AM | #11 | |
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I've seen several members here make the statements I mentioned above regarding the Bible. I have seen it openly ridiculed as nothing more than a book of fables and fairy tales and seen these members say they would only believe that which could be scientifically proven. I didn't mean to single you out, because I can't recall if you have made these statements or not. However, you were echoing much of the same sentiment these others have expressed, so that was why I chose to respond to your post. I wasn't angered by your comments in the least, but I apologize again if you felt I overreacted to your comments.
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09-22-2003, 11:40 AM | #12 |
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Heh heh, no worries Cerek. And I agree with you: the door swings well and truly both ways [img]smile.gif[/img]
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09-22-2003, 12:23 PM | #13 | |
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09-22-2003, 12:48 PM | #14 |
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I second what Luvian said. There's no reason to doubt that most of the events in the Bible took place but if they happened the way the Bible decribes is a different matter.
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09-22-2003, 12:52 PM | #15 |
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That's really interesting to hear. But, you do realize that one "proofs" Creationists use against Evolution or that the Earth is apx 4.5 billion years old is that radio carbon dating is in accurate? Given the time frame, the error range should only be in the years to tens of years range, so this is really intriguing to me.
I believe alot of the events accounted in the Bible happened, just not that it is an accurate history, but an alegory. For example the Great Flood was told of in Assyrian legend - oldest known acount apx 6000 yrs BC: 2000 yrs before the Bible accounts for it. Anyway, interesting thanks Yorick! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
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I'm with Luvian on this; pointing out that the setting is genuine doesn't automatically make the Bible's actual messages and miracles any more believable. I mean, the country of Egypt exists as well, but that doesn't mean anything along the lines of proof for or against the Bible. The Roman Emperors referred to in the Bible have existed as well, but yet again that information was added to place the events in a realistic and historical setting - and even when it could be proven that for example Jesus has actually lived, in what way does that prove all the miracles ascribed to him? To provide you with an extreme illustration, have you ever seen the movie Life of Brian? And more down to Earth, most modern day fictional novels are set in realistic, genuine settings just the same - but that doesn't make the novels themselves any less fictional (and I'm only adding this remark to point out that the genuineness of the setting doesn't necessarily have to say anything about the genuineness of the actual story - I'm not trying to imply that the Bible is automatically fictional itself). This scientifical discovery helps to put the period in which the Bible-events have supposedly taken place in a historical context, but it doesn't say a single thing about what most skepticists regard as the events that are hard to believe due to a lack of proof. [ 09-22-2003, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ] |
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09-22-2003, 03:36 PM | #17 |
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Hm... You see the collosseum in the film 'Gladiator'. The collosseum definitely exists. Does this mean that the events in the film 'Gladiator' truly occurred?
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09-22-2003, 03:56 PM | #18 | |
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Hehe, I can already see people going "What??! No reason to write false things? But they had this and this reason!" Blah blah, the Bible writes about such "nice" things as people say, do you really think they people writing it were so utterly and completely evil that they would spout such nice things if they didn't truly believe them? Therefore my statement remains: they were either deluded, misguided or right. [ 09-22-2003, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: Vaskez ]
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