Dualing to a Kit

Omicron · 06-13-2003, 02:42 PM

Just wondering if anyone knows if Dualing from a non kit to a kit is possible in normal DND 2nd edition, and not being able to in BG2 is only an engine limitation?

For instance, Fighter-> conjurer, or Thief-> Cleric of Talos.

Xen · 06-13-2003, 02:54 PM

No. When i think about some combos it would be such a cheese:
Wizard Slayer/Swashbuckler
Kensai/Swashbuckler

Feel the potential?

Faceman · 06-13-2003, 03:08 PM

dualing TO a kit is not possible
only FROM a kit
I would LOVE a fighter/assassin tough

Omicron · 06-13-2003, 03:22 PM

I'm talking about DND rules, not BG2 limitations.

Notice that only 1 Kit is involved. Thus, its either Kensai/THief or THief/Kensai, not Kensai/Swash.

Im quite sure it is possible in normal DND, just not possible in BG2 due to engine limitations. Just wondering if anyone is familiar with this.

Xen · 06-13-2003, 03:26 PM

Oh wait a minute.
A Kensai/thief is possible and one of the most powerful characters in the game.

Bill26 · 06-13-2003, 04:17 PM

I don't think it is a limit of the engine. I used sk and gave my mage class of a cleric/mage the wild mage kit. I did notice that my cleric spells were susceptible to surges as well.

Grammar · 06-13-2003, 05:30 PM

Did Improved Chaos Shield/Chaos Shield still work for the Cleric Spells.

Imagine the potential... Cast Heal on one of your party members.. Cast on all the party... woo!

Vedran · 06-14-2003, 06:45 AM

Heh, don't worry, Omicron, I understand what you ask. I shall ask at a DnD forum.

Vedran · 06-14-2003, 04:10 PM

My query was not answered, so I checked the Fighter's Handbook:

Warrior Kits and Dual-Class Characters

If a character starts off as a warrior, he may take any of the Warrior Kits above. If, later, he decides to change classes according to the normal Dual-Class Benefits and Restrictions rules, he doesn't lose any of the benefits or hindrances of the Kit he chose; he is still that sort of fighter. If that second character class also has a range of Kits available to it, he may not choose a new, additional Kit.
If a character starts off as some other character class, does not take on a Kit appropriate to that class, and then later switches to one of the warrior classes, he can choose a Warrior Kit at that time . . . though the DM may insist that certain campaign events be accomplished in order to allow him to do this.
For instance, let's say that a human mage decides, later in life, to become a Fighter, and he wants to be a Gladiator. Well, there's nothing wrong with that. But the DM should insist that the next several adventures deal with that transformation. The character must be hired by (or, alternatively, captured and enslaved by) an arena or fighting-stable owner, trained, and pitted against other Gladiators. The other characters in the campaign could also be entering the gladiatorial arena, or the DM could contrive things so that the current adventure involves gladiatorial elements and still get all the PCs involved.
To better simulate the wait involved for the character to learn his new trade, the DM is within his rights to insist that the character not receive his Warrior Kit until he's reached second experience level in his new class.

If it works for warriors, I guess it works for everybody.

[ 06-14-2003, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: Vedran ]

Xen · 06-14-2003, 04:39 PM

Not everybody...
Sorcerers,Monks,Barbarians cannot Dual-Class

06-13-2003, 03:08 PM	#3
Faceman Hathor Join Date: February 18, 2002 Location: Vienna Age: 42 Posts: 2,248	dualing TO a kit is not possible only FROM a kit I would LOVE a fighter/assassin tough __________________ \"I am forever spellbound by the frailty of life\"<br /><br /> Faceman

06-14-2003, 06:45 AM	#8
Vedran Lord Soth Join Date: July 28, 2002 Location: Sisak, Croatia Age: 39 Posts: 1,930	Heh, don't worry, Omicron, I understand what you ask. I shall ask at a DnD forum. __________________ Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, adhuc dulcius pro patria vivere. (It is sweet and glorius to die for one's homeland, even sweeter to live for it) Horatio

06-14-2003, 04:10 PM	#9
Vedran Lord Soth Join Date: July 28, 2002 Location: Sisak, Croatia Age: 39 Posts: 1,930	My query was not answered, so I checked the Fighter's Handbook: Warrior Kits and Dual-Class Characters If a character starts off as a warrior, he may take any of the Warrior Kits above. If, later, he decides to change classes according to the normal Dual-Class Benefits and Restrictions rules, he doesn't lose any of the benefits or hindrances of the Kit he chose; he is still that sort of fighter. If that second character class also has a range of Kits available to it, he may not choose a new, additional Kit. If a character starts off as some other character class, does not take on a Kit appropriate to that class, and then later switches to one of the warrior classes, he can choose a Warrior Kit at that time . . . though the DM may insist that certain campaign events be accomplished in order to allow him to do this. For instance, let's say that a human mage decides, later in life, to become a Fighter, and he wants to be a Gladiator. Well, there's nothing wrong with that. But the DM should insist that the next several adventures deal with that transformation. The character must be hired by (or, alternatively, captured and enslaved by) an arena or fighting-stable owner, trained, and pitted against other Gladiators. The other characters in the campaign could also be entering the gladiatorial arena, or the DM could contrive things so that the current adventure involves gladiatorial elements and still get all the PCs involved. To better simulate the wait involved for the character to learn his new trade, the DM is within his rights to insist that the character not receive his Warrior Kit until he's reached second experience level in his new class. If it works for warriors, I guess it works for everybody. [ 06-14-2003, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: Vedran ] __________________ Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, adhuc dulcius pro patria vivere. (It is sweet and glorius to die for one's homeland, even sweeter to live for it) Horatio

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06-13-2003, 02:42 PM	#1
Omicron Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: April 29, 2003 Location: USA Age: 37 Posts: 26	Just wondering if anyone knows if Dualing from a non kit to a kit is possible in normal DND 2nd edition, and not being able to in BG2 is only an engine limitation? For instance, Fighter-> conjurer, or Thief-> Cleric of Talos.

06-13-2003, 02:54 PM	#2
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 36 Posts: 8,554	No. When i think about some combos it would be such a cheese: Wizard Slayer/Swashbuckler Kensai/Swashbuckler Feel the potential?

06-13-2003, 03:22 PM	#4
Omicron Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: April 29, 2003 Location: USA Age: 37 Posts: 26	I'm talking about DND rules, not BG2 limitations. Notice that only 1 Kit is involved. Thus, its either Kensai/THief or THief/Kensai, not Kensai/Swash. Im quite sure it is possible in normal DND, just not possible in BG2 due to engine limitations. Just wondering if anyone is familiar with this.

06-13-2003, 03:26 PM	#5
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 36 Posts: 8,554	Oh wait a minute. A Kensai/thief is possible and one of the most powerful characters in the game.

06-13-2003, 04:17 PM	#6
Bill26 Dungeon Master Join Date: July 30, 2002 Location: U.S. Age: 59 Posts: 90	I don't think it is a limit of the engine. I used sk and gave my mage class of a cleric/mage the wild mage kit. I did notice that my cleric spells were susceptible to surges as well.

06-13-2003, 05:30 PM	#7
Grammar Zhentarim Guard Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Washington Age: 37 Posts: 301	Did Improved Chaos Shield/Chaos Shield still work for the Cleric Spells. Imagine the potential... Cast Heal on one of your party members.. Cast on all the party... woo!

06-14-2003, 04:39 PM	#10
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 36 Posts: 8,554	Not everybody... Sorcerers,Monks,Barbarians cannot Dual-Class

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