The OFFICIAL Ironworks Football World Cup Thread--Part IV - Page 8

Scholarcs · 06-22-2002, 09:42 AM

I honestly thought that Senegal deserved to win that match, much better play etc. but thats the way of games.

Helspanth · 06-22-2002, 09:45 AM

Groj you cannot call me a bad loser since my team doesn't even play in the world cup.I am not supporting another nation.
What I support is FOOTBALL.
There is a major difference between Korea and Turkey,who both are in the semifinals.Turkey is there thanks to their own game their own strenght,NOT thanks to "accidental" arbitral mistakes.
Anyway this is my point of view.Feel free to disagree just don't dub me with names I don't deserve.

Grojlach · 06-22-2002, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Helspanth:
Groj you cannot call me a bad loser since my team doesn't even play in the world cup.I am not supporting another nation.
What I support is FOOTBALL.
There is a major difference between Korea and Turkey,who both are in the semifinals.Turkey is there thanks to their own game their own strenght,NOT thanks to "accidental" arbitral mistakes.
Anyway this is my point of view.Feel free to disagree just don't dub me with names I don't deserve.

See Memnoch's post, he brought the same point as I did only in a more subtle way. And you've stated before in this very same thread you were supporting Spain, so in a way, it *was* "your" team. Maybe not the one from your country, but as sure as heck the one you were supporting.
And your remark about the difference between Korea and Turkey is wrong on so many levels, that all I can say is read what Memnoch had to say about the subject.

[ 06-22-2002, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

Jerome · 06-22-2002, 10:32 AM

With a miraculous break in tradition, I'm going to throw in my somewhat belated respects to England for their grace in defeat. Though I did not support the team, it was obvious they had the whole nation behind them... and if the pundits or media make any of the England team a scapegoat, i'll be seriously dissapointed.

Grojlach · 06-22-2002, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jerome:
With a miraculous break in tradition, I'm going to throw in my somewhat belated respects to England for their grace in defeat. Though I did not support the team, it was obvious they had the whole nation behind them... and if the pundits or media make any of the England team a scapegoat, i'll be seriously dissapointed.

That's the whole point, they didn't. [img]smile.gif[/img] The FIFA has even complemented the English supporters for their gracefulness in defeat, saw an official statement on it on a news site.

Lanthir · 06-22-2002, 11:20 AM

Just thought this was a nice article.

Beckenbauer says Germany were lucky to beat U.S.

BERLIN (Reuters) - Former Germany captain and coach Franz Beckenbauer said that the three-times winners were lucky to beat the United States 1-0 in their World Cup quarter-final.

"America were clearly the better team for 90 minutes," said Beckenbauer, an analyst for Germany's pay-television network. "We'll have to raise our game considerably after this. Hopefully, good fortunate will remain faithful to us.

Beckenbauer also said Germany were fortunate the referee failed to award the Americans a penalty kick four minutes into the second half when German defender Torsten Frings handled on the line after Oliver Kahn had half-saved a Gregg Berhalter shot.

"It's actually a clear penalty kick when one's hand touches the ball on the goal line," he said. "It should have been a penalty."

Beckenbauer, who helped Germany win the World Cup as a player in 1974 and led them to the title as coach in 1990, said Germany had been passive for long stretches against the Americans.

"I can't explain it," he said. "Leading 1-0 you have to keep trying to penetrate into the other team's defence."

Beckenbauer said even though the Americans had played strongly, Germany would probably not have survived had they faced a more dangerous opponent.

"The opponent wasn't Brazil or England or Argentina," he said. "This was America!"

johnny · 06-22-2002, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Helspanth:
Groj you cannot call me a bad loser since my team doesn't even play in the world cup.I am not supporting another nation.
What I support is FOOTBALL.
There is a major difference between Korea and Turkey,who both are in the semifinals.Turkey is there thanks to their own game their own strenght,NOT thanks to "accidental" arbitral mistakes.
Anyway this is my point of view.Feel free to disagree just don't dub me with names I don't deserve.

Hey dude, just curious, what's your favourite team ? Panathinaikos ?

Memnoch · 06-22-2002, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Helspanth:
Groj you cannot call me a bad loser since my team doesn't even play in the world cup.I am not supporting another nation.
What I support is FOOTBALL.

Now now now, don't try and get away using a technicality, Helspanth...you've been supporting Spain all the way (as have I). Grace in defeat, even if you feel hard done by. That's what separates men from whinging boys - you cop it on the chin when it's all over.

If it's any consolation - I'm suffering too. But Spain's multimillionaires should have stood up and been counted when it mattered - where were they when the crunch came?

[ 06-22-2002, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

Jerome · 06-22-2002, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Grojlach:

quote:
Originally posted by Jerome:
With a miraculous break in tradition, I'm going to throw in my somewhat belated respects to England for their grace in defeat. Though I did not support the team, it was obvious they had the whole nation behind them... and if the pundits or media make any of the England team a scapegoat, i'll be seriously dissapointed.

That's the whole point, they didn't. [img]smile.gif[/img] The FIFA has even complemented the English supporters for their gracefulness in defeat, saw an official statement on it on a news site.[/QUOTE]Actually, some of the arseholes we've got on TV over here *did* start critisising the team - with Seaman and Beckham in perticular being under fire.

Aside from that, you're completely right. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Madman-Rogovich · 06-22-2002, 12:53 PM

thats coz beckha far overrated and seamen needs a haircut! j/k as scot yes it is my duty to support everyone england play and i admit i have done , but what idlove is the team to win to b S.Korea i think they rally deserve it such determination [img]smile.gif[/img]

06-22-2002, 09:42 AM	#71
Scholarcs Red Dragon Join Date: December 5, 2001 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 38 Posts: 1,557	I honestly thought that Senegal deserved to win that match, much better play etc. but thats the way of games. __________________ <br />\"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five\" - Groucho Marx<br />Member of the ORT Clan. <br />\"Some birds are not meant to be caged because their feathers are too bright\"<br />Ma bouche sera la bouche des malheurs qui n\'ont point de bouche, ma voix, la liberté de celles qui s\'affaissent au cachot du désespoir. - Aimé Césaire<br />La plus perdue de toutes les journées est celle où l\'on n\'a pas ri. - Sébastien Roch Nicolas

06-22-2002, 09:45 AM	#72
Helspanth Quintesson Join Date: January 21, 2002 Location: Thessaloniki,Hellas Age: 42 Posts: 1,050	Groj you cannot call me a bad loser since my team doesn't even play in the world cup.I am not supporting another nation. What I support is FOOTBALL. There is a major difference between Korea and Turkey,who both are in the semifinals.Turkey is there thanks to their own game their own strenght,NOT thanks to "accidental" arbitral mistakes. Anyway this is my point of view.Feel free to disagree just don't dub me with names I don't deserve. __________________ \"Sorrow is the future tense of love\"

06-22-2002, 10:32 AM	#74
Jerome Knight of the Rose Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Scotland Age: 38 Posts: 4,418	With a miraculous break in tradition, I'm going to throw in my somewhat belated respects to England for their grace in defeat. Though I did not support the team, it was obvious they had the whole nation behind them... and if the pundits or media make any of the England team a scapegoat, i'll be seriously dissapointed. __________________ Psychos do not explode when hit by sunlight, no matter how crazy they are!

06-22-2002, 11:20 AM	#76
Lanthir Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: April 3, 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Age: 43 Posts: 612	Just thought this was a nice article. Beckenbauer says Germany were lucky to beat U.S. BERLIN (Reuters) - Former Germany captain and coach Franz Beckenbauer said that the three-times winners were lucky to beat the United States 1-0 in their World Cup quarter-final. "America were clearly the better team for 90 minutes," said Beckenbauer, an analyst for Germany's pay-television network. "We'll have to raise our game considerably after this. Hopefully, good fortunate will remain faithful to us. Beckenbauer also said Germany were fortunate the referee failed to award the Americans a penalty kick four minutes into the second half when German defender Torsten Frings handled on the line after Oliver Kahn had half-saved a Gregg Berhalter shot. "It's actually a clear penalty kick when one's hand touches the ball on the goal line," he said. "It should have been a penalty." Beckenbauer, who helped Germany win the World Cup as a player in 1974 and led them to the title as coach in 1990, said Germany had been passive for long stretches against the Americans. "I can't explain it," he said. "Leading 1-0 you have to keep trying to penetrate into the other team's defence." Beckenbauer said even though the Americans had played strongly, Germany would probably not have survived had they faced a more dangerous opponent. "The opponent wasn't Brazil or England or Argentina," he said. "This was America!" __________________ <br /><br />[url]\"http://home.talkcity.com/ImaginaryPl/lanthir/index.html\" target=\"_blank\">All About Lanthir</a>

06-22-2002, 12:53 PM	#80
Madman-Rogovich Lord Soth Join Date: October 23, 2001 Location: Edinburgh Age: 38 Posts: 1,918	thats coz beckha far overrated and seamen needs a haircut! j/k as scot yes it is my duty to support everyone england play and i admit i have done , but what idlove is the team to win to b S.Korea i think they rally deserve it such determination [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ One room, one axe, one outcome.

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