Questions regarding Level Advancement

AcePylut · 10-31-2001, 10:09 AM

So - I'm playing this game through from the start, and decided that ranged weapons are the way to go. My party creation is as follows.

1 Dwarf Berserker - Level 8
1 Scorceror - Level 8
1 Fighter, Dual-Classed to a Thief right from the start (PS - got to thief to Level 7 by the time I got out of Irenicus's prison)

I have 3 more fighters (Level 8) that will be dual classed into 2 mages and a cleric.

My question is this...

If i wait until my fighters reach level 9 before dual classing them into the Mages and Clerics, will I get any special fighter abilities....I.E. Will a fighter get another weapon proficiency at level 9? Will the THACO drop if I wait until the fighter gets to level 9? Will I get a special ability?

I tell ya...2 Mages with Long Bows that attack at fighter tables but have mage capabilities, a cleric that can use the light crossbow of speed, a thief with fighter capabilities... look out. Can you say death from afar?

Dundee Slaytern · 10-31-2001, 10:24 AM

*cough* *cough*

Berserkers cannot use ranged weapons, dualling to a Cleric means you can only use Cleric weapons.

Anyway... your fighters will still get their level bonuses up till the time you decide to dual them. Remember though, your second class must exceed your first class first in terms of levels before you regain back your fighter abilities.

If you dual at level 9, you get it back when your second class is level 10.

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AcePylut · 10-31-2001, 10:33 AM

Ya - beserekers can't use ranged weapons. I figure that in every party you need a butkkicking melee fighter, and my dwarf beserker is that man. Dwarf for the magical resistance... beserker just for the kicks.

The way I understand dualling a character is that when the new class is one level above the old class, you can use the old classes weapons/armour/to hit tables, etc etc. Is this different for the Cleric class? I know since my fighter is currently level 8, I have to get to Cleric Level 9 b4 using fighter stuff... like the crossbow that my cleric is a grand master of.

So, is there any advantage to becoming level 9 fighters in regards to the to hit tables? Will I get 1 more proficiency to use if a fighter gets to level 9?

MY D&D books are so buried under a pile of rubble that I wouldn't be able to find them if I tried.....

Dundee Slaytern · 10-31-2001, 10:36 AM

If you dual to a Cleric, you will lose your ability to use a crossbow. One great example of a dualled Fighter/Cleric is Anomen.

Yes, you will still get your weapon proficiency at level 9, after all, why will you lose it? It is not like the computer knows when you are dualling, so you level up as a fighter normally.

AcePylut · 10-31-2001, 10:43 AM

Why is it that if I dual to a cleric, I lose my ability to use a crossbow? Or, do I just lose the crossbow ability until the cleric level gets 1 level above the fighter level?

Is that the same for mages? Will I lose the ability to use longbows if I switch from fighters to mages?

So - a fighter does get another weapon proficiency at level nine. Cool, that means I'm going to wait unitl level 9 b4 dual classing my guys.

Do you know if the THACO goes down at level 9 (compared to 8)?

PS - Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it.

Morgeruat · 10-31-2001, 10:49 AM

Thac0 drops every level for fighters.
Clerics are resticted to blunt weapons, regardless of former training. crossbows are piercing weapons
I'm not sure if mages share this restriction, i doubt it, but they can't cast spells in armor

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Chris77Se · 10-31-2001, 10:57 AM

You cannot use a crossbow as cleric fighter, but not because of lack of skill but because the weapon is prohibited for clerics (like swords and all other weapons, "which draw blood") for religious reasons. For the same reason, mage fighters can use all weapons they could use as fighter when their mage level is higher than their figher level, because the mage doesn´t have a god, who prohibits weapons to him.

Thaco is lowered every level by one by all fighter character classes.

Lazarus · 10-31-2001, 11:00 AM

If you want a good character, dual him to a mage at level 18 atleast.

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Dundee Slaytern · 10-31-2001, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lazarus:
If you want a good character, dual him to a mage at level 18 atleast.

Level 18?!?!

Level 12 you mean, 18 is a bit extreme, and will diminish the Mage side.

Lazarus · 10-31-2001, 11:09 AM

I went to level 18 and imported my kensai and dualed him to a mage

But level 12 would be fine enough

Well i deleted that Character.And started a New Game as an Ordinary Mage, Hes currently level 15 now.

[This message has been edited by Lazarus (edited 10-31-2001).]

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10-31-2001, 10:09 AM	#1
AcePylut Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: October 31, 2001 Location: P-ton Posts: 34	So - I'm playing this game through from the start, and decided that ranged weapons are the way to go. My party creation is as follows. 1 Dwarf Berserker - Level 8 1 Scorceror - Level 8 1 Fighter, Dual-Classed to a Thief right from the start (PS - got to thief to Level 7 by the time I got out of Irenicus's prison) I have 3 more fighters (Level 8) that will be dual classed into 2 mages and a cleric. My question is this... If i wait until my fighters reach level 9 before dual classing them into the Mages and Clerics, will I get any special fighter abilities....I.E. Will a fighter get another weapon proficiency at level 9? Will the THACO drop if I wait until the fighter gets to level 9? Will I get a special ability? I tell ya...2 Mages with Long Bows that attack at fighter tables but have mage capabilities, a cleric that can use the light crossbow of speed, a thief with fighter capabilities... look out. Can you say death from afar?

10-31-2001, 10:24 AM	#2
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	cough cough Berserkers cannot use ranged weapons, dualling to a Cleric means you can only use Cleric weapons. Anyway... your fighters will still get their level bonuses up till the time you decide to dual them. Remember though, your second class must exceed your first class first in terms of levels before you regain back your fighter abilities. If you dual at level 9, you get it back when your second class is level 10. ------------------ If not a Sorcerer casting total oblivion, then a Cavalier meting out justice. Otherwise, I think I will just be a Blade and torture my enemies with, "My Heart Will Go On". Platinium Sorcerer of Aerie Loving Sacred Band! ------------------------- Party Sorcerer Spell List, v1.03 Dragon Slaying Tips For your daily dosage of insanity,

10-31-2001, 10:33 AM	#3
AcePylut Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: October 31, 2001 Location: P-ton Posts: 34	Ya - beserekers can't use ranged weapons. I figure that in every party you need a butkkicking melee fighter, and my dwarf beserker is that man. Dwarf for the magical resistance... beserker just for the kicks. The way I understand dualling a character is that when the new class is one level above the old class, you can use the old classes weapons/armour/to hit tables, etc etc. Is this different for the Cleric class? I know since my fighter is currently level 8, I have to get to Cleric Level 9 b4 using fighter stuff... like the crossbow that my cleric is a grand master of. So, is there any advantage to becoming level 9 fighters in regards to the to hit tables? Will I get 1 more proficiency to use if a fighter gets to level 9? MY D&D books are so buried under a pile of rubble that I wouldn't be able to find them if I tried.....

10-31-2001, 10:36 AM	#4
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	If you dual to a Cleric, you will lose your ability to use a crossbow. One great example of a dualled Fighter/Cleric is Anomen. Yes, you will still get your weapon proficiency at level 9, after all, why will you lose it? It is not like the computer knows when you are dualling, so you level up as a fighter normally.

10-31-2001, 10:43 AM	#5
AcePylut Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: October 31, 2001 Location: P-ton Posts: 34	Why is it that if I dual to a cleric, I lose my ability to use a crossbow? Or, do I just lose the crossbow ability until the cleric level gets 1 level above the fighter level? Is that the same for mages? Will I lose the ability to use longbows if I switch from fighters to mages? So - a fighter does get another weapon proficiency at level nine. Cool, that means I'm going to wait unitl level 9 b4 dual classing my guys. Do you know if the THACO goes down at level 9 (compared to 8)? PS - Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it.

10-31-2001, 10:49 AM	#6
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 43 Posts: 5,421	Thac0 drops every level for fighters. Clerics are resticted to blunt weapons, regardless of former training. crossbows are piercing weapons I'm not sure if mages share this restriction, i doubt it, but they can't cast spells in armor ------------------ toss the dice

10-31-2001, 10:57 AM	#7
Chris77Se Zhentarim Guard Join Date: October 10, 2001 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 335	You cannot use a crossbow as cleric fighter, but not because of lack of skill but because the weapon is prohibited for clerics (like swords and all other weapons, "which draw blood") for religious reasons. For the same reason, mage fighters can use all weapons they could use as fighter when their mage level is higher than their figher level, because the mage doesn´t have a god, who prohibits weapons to him. Thaco is lowered every level by one by all fighter character classes.

10-31-2001, 11:00 AM	#8
Lazarus Manshoon Join Date: October 1, 2001 Location: Athkatla Posts: 196	If you want a good character, dual him to a mage at level 18 atleast. ------------------ The Genesis It is only the beginning... [This message has been edited by Lazarus (edited 10-31-2001).]

10-31-2001, 11:09 AM	#10
Lazarus Manshoon Join Date: October 1, 2001 Location: Athkatla Posts: 196	I went to level 18 and imported my kensai and dualed him to a mage But level 12 would be fine enough Well i deleted that Character.And started a New Game as an Ordinary Mage, Hes currently level 15 now. [This message has been edited by Lazarus (edited 10-31-2001).]

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