BG is the best !! but could be improved by........

knoj · 02-18-2002, 11:45 PM

is it just me or would baldurs gate be much funner and more well rounded if they didn't make you memorize spells but rather, set up the magic system similiar to diablo? where you can use potions to fill up your magic pool. i say this because you can't always know which spells your going to need in the near future. don't get me wrong, the baldur's gate series of games is a hell of a lot funner than diablo's, (where the entire purpose is to get better weapons) but by memorizing only a few choice spells, it prevents you from ever using your full arsonel. obviously the game would be way too easy if you could go and buy a dozen potions, but the point i'm tryin to make is that if your mages had a magic pool or pts, then you might actually use those arroneous spells that only come in handy a few times in the game. anybody disagree ?????

cloud88 · 02-19-2002, 01:28 AM

im whit you man
and you say that the game would get a lot easier
thats true but maybe interplay could do like harder
monsters or hrder difficult lv?

knoj · 02-19-2002, 02:33 AM

quote:
thats true but maybe interplay could do like harder
monsters or hrder difficult lv?

that's exactly what i was thinking too. if only they had a normal, a difficult, and maybe a chaotic level, where you could progress to the next lev after you beat the game. but back to the magic issue, IMO mages can be both the weakest player in the game, and the most powerful (by design). they are the ones who kill the daveorns, the dwarf wards, the tazoks, but hide from the gibberlings and tazlois, again (by design). if a mage doesn't get to use their full range of magic during battle, then it can greatly diminish their effectiveness overall. i must add that i haven't played BGII yet so i don't know if they made the mage more effective or improved their capabilities??

02-19-2002, 06:08 AM

You got a very good point. I agree.

cloud88 · 02-19-2002, 09:52 AM

its always good to have people on your side jan

[ 02-19-2002: Message edited by: cloud88 ]

02-19-2002, 10:05 AM

What do you mean cloud88?

Have I said something wrong?

Lavindathar · 02-19-2002, 01:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by knoj:
is it just me or would baldurs gate be much funner and more well rounded if they didn't make you memorize spells but rather, set up the magic system similiar to diablo? where you can use potions to fill up your magic pool. i say this because you can't always know which spells your going to need in the near future. don't get me wrong, the baldur's gate series of games is a hell of a lot funner than diablo's, (where the entire purpose is to get better weapons) but by memorizing only a few choice spells, it prevents you from ever using your full arsonel. obviously the game would be way too easy if you could go and buy a dozen potions, but the point i'm tryin to make is that if your mages had a magic pool or pts, then you might actually use those arroneous spells that only come in handy a few times in the game. anybody disagree ?????

Personally, I think your idea isn't too great.

i)why would we want to make BG funnier?? We dont. It already can be pretty humerous.
ii)We dont want to make it easier either. It's called a challenge.
iii)Thirdly, not knowing what spells you are going to need/use, is called Real Life. BG has the system like that, because in RL you wouldn't know either....

cloud88 · 02-19-2002, 01:47 PM

maybe so,but why would whe not wanna make it funnier?
sure its already really fun but whats wrong in make
it funnier?

Sir Marcus Swordseeker · 02-19-2002, 02:14 PM

I have to agree with Lavindather thats part of the strategy aspect of the game . You never know when you'll neded to have certain spells or just go with the everyday spells having a magic pool takes away from this aspect of the game

Vohl · 02-19-2002, 02:19 PM

100% agree with Lav
I also think its part of the dedication to being a mage. Start out with almost nothing, and have to concentrate on just surviving and living long enough to gain more knowledge. Slowly (very slowly), but surely, it begins to pay off, and soon, with the right spell selection (memorizing) one cast can change the whole outcome of a battle. Thats the thrill of it.
As in table D&D, i believe the dedication of being a mage is enough to weed out those but that do not have the patience for it, its a long process.

[ 02-19-2002: Message edited by: Vohl ]

02-19-2002, 01:28 AM	#2
cloud88 Manshoon Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: sundsvall,sweden Age: 35 Posts: 171	im whit you man and you say that the game would get a lot easier thats true but maybe interplay could do like harder monsters or hrder difficult lv? __________________ Some little angel tries to tell me that it\'s over,<br />It\'s just a bad reflection from above.<br />The load upon my shoulder makes me stronger, even bolder,<br />Oh no no, I haven\'t had enough.<br />-Heaven can wait, another fine reason to live.

02-19-2002, 02:33 AM	#3
knoj Dungeon Master Join Date: January 30, 2002 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Age: 42 Posts: 58	quote: thats true but maybe interplay could do like harder monsters or hrder difficult lv? that's exactly what i was thinking too. if only they had a normal, a difficult, and maybe a chaotic level, where you could progress to the next lev after you beat the game. but back to the magic issue, IMO mages can be both the weakest player in the game, and the most powerful (by design). they are the ones who kill the daveorns, the dwarf wards, the tazoks, but hide from the gibberlings and tazlois, again (by design). if a mage doesn't get to use their full range of magic during battle, then it can greatly diminish their effectiveness overall. i must add that i haven't played BGII yet so i don't know if they made the mage more effective or improved their capabilities??

02-19-2002, 09:52 AM	#5
cloud88 Manshoon Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: sundsvall,sweden Age: 35 Posts: 171	its always good to have people on your side jan [ 02-19-2002: Message edited by: cloud88 ] __________________ Some little angel tries to tell me that it\'s over,<br />It\'s just a bad reflection from above.<br />The load upon my shoulder makes me stronger, even bolder,<br />Oh no no, I haven\'t had enough.<br />-Heaven can wait, another fine reason to live.

02-19-2002, 01:37 PM	#7
Lavindathar Harper Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Lancs, England Age: 39 Posts: 4,729	quote: Originally posted by knoj: is it just me or would baldurs gate be much funner and more well rounded if they didn't make you memorize spells but rather, set up the magic system similiar to diablo? where you can use potions to fill up your magic pool. i say this because you can't always know which spells your going to need in the near future. don't get me wrong, the baldur's gate series of games is a hell of a lot funner than diablo's, (where the entire purpose is to get better weapons) but by memorizing only a few choice spells, it prevents you from ever using your full arsonel. obviously the game would be way too easy if you could go and buy a dozen potions, but the point i'm tryin to make is that if your mages had a magic pool or pts, then you might actually use those arroneous spells that only come in handy a few times in the game. anybody disagree ????? Personally, I think your idea isn't too great. i)why would we want to make BG funnier?? We dont. It already can be pretty humerous. ii)We dont want to make it easier either. It's called a challenge. iii)Thirdly, not knowing what spells you are going to need/use, is called Real Life. BG has the system like that, because in RL you wouldn't know either.... __________________ =@

02-19-2002, 01:47 PM	#8
cloud88 Manshoon Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: sundsvall,sweden Age: 35 Posts: 171	maybe so,but why would whe not wanna make it funnier? sure its already really fun but whats wrong in make it funnier? __________________ Some little angel tries to tell me that it\'s over,<br />It\'s just a bad reflection from above.<br />The load upon my shoulder makes me stronger, even bolder,<br />Oh no no, I haven\'t had enough.<br />-Heaven can wait, another fine reason to live.

02-18-2002, 11:45 PM	#1
knoj Dungeon Master Join Date: January 30, 2002 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Age: 42 Posts: 58	is it just me or would baldurs gate be much funner and more well rounded if they didn't make you memorize spells but rather, set up the magic system similiar to diablo? where you can use potions to fill up your magic pool. i say this because you can't always know which spells your going to need in the near future. don't get me wrong, the baldur's gate series of games is a hell of a lot funner than diablo's, (where the entire purpose is to get better weapons) but by memorizing only a few choice spells, it prevents you from ever using your full arsonel. obviously the game would be way too easy if you could go and buy a dozen potions, but the point i'm tryin to make is that if your mages had a magic pool or pts, then you might actually use those arroneous spells that only come in handy a few times in the game. anybody disagree ?????

02-19-2002, 06:08 AM	#4
Jan Guest Posts: n/a	You got a very good point. I agree.

02-19-2002, 10:05 AM	#6
Jan Guest Posts: n/a	What do you mean cloud88? Have I said something wrong?

02-19-2002, 02:14 PM	#9
Sir Marcus Swordseeker Dungeon Master Join Date: January 25, 2002 Location: Carson City Nv Posts: 82	I have to agree with Lavindather thats part of the strategy aspect of the game . You never know when you'll neded to have certain spells or just go with the everyday spells having a magic pool takes away from this aspect of the game

02-19-2002, 02:19 PM	#10
Vohl Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 31, 2002 Location: Rockford IL Age: 52 Posts: 46	100% agree with Lav I also think its part of the dedication to being a mage. Start out with almost nothing, and have to concentrate on just surviving and living long enough to gain more knowledge. Slowly (very slowly), but surely, it begins to pay off, and soon, with the right spell selection (memorizing) one cast can change the whole outcome of a battle. Thats the thrill of it. As in table D&D, i believe the dedication of being a mage is enough to weed out those but that do not have the patience for it, its a long process. [ 02-19-2002: Message edited by: Vohl ]

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