How many people think RPGs were better in the old days?

aj142 · 12-15-2002, 10:18 AM

I’ve actually seen it posted that RPGs aren’t what they used to be.. does anyone agree with that?

12-15-2002, 10:25 AM

Hmm, They were more simplistic usually had less depth (save Darklands) and were worse in most ways.
However I do think Music was never the same since Salieri died, I mean everything since then has basically been a downhill slide.

Morgeruat · 12-15-2002, 10:41 AM

I think PnP RPG's were better before 3rd Ed d&d (the main game i play) as for CRPG's the graphics have gotten better, but some of the other elements have lost out (save for bg1 & 2 and Torment)

Paladin2000 · 12-15-2002, 11:07 AM

Yeah, no one cares much about storyline that much anymore. Nowadays it is all about graphics, sounds and multiplayer capability.

Attalus · 12-15-2002, 11:32 AM

Agree with Morgeruat about PS:T and BG being great, and I regard BGII as the greatest RPG of all time.

Redblueflare · 12-15-2002, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paladin2000:
Yeah, no one cares much about storyline that much anymore. Nowadays it is all about graphics, sounds and multiplayer capability.

Pardon me for asking, but how do you figure that? I've think they've improved but then again my old days are a lot newer than anyone's in here. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

/)eathKiller · 12-15-2002, 01:14 PM

I'm playing FF 4 right now, this sure beats any other FF game (well maybe not tactics) Then again maybe thats just my Dragoon Fetish talking [img]tongue.gif[/img]

DRAGOONS DRAGOONS! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

They need to make a Modern FF game with Kain in it [img]tongue.gif[/img]

skywalker · 12-15-2002, 01:20 PM

How far back are the games that "used to be"?

I loved:
Ultima 3, 4, 5...
Bard's Tale Series
Dragon Wars
Wizardry Series
Might & Magic 1, 2, 3...
Champions, Death Knights, & Dark Queen of Krynn
Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret Of the Silver Blades....
Magic Candle
and more....

Good memories...I wonder if I'll feels the same about the games of the last decade?

Mark

Sir Krustin · 12-15-2002, 07:29 PM

I'm an ultima fan from way back! Also liked Fallout 1&2, and Deus Ex. Never played PS:T, one day I'll get around to playing that...

Modern CRPGs (excepting the BG games) are definitely going downhill. Very few implement usable AIs or a deep storyline. Dungeon Siege, for example. I played it faithfully for a couple of weeks, and I did enjoy it - for a while. Frankly, the storyline amounts to variations of "hack then slash", "slash then hack", "repeat until done". I never finished it, and now it's uninstalled likely never to be reinstalled.

Another thing I find interesting is that game developers are targetting shorter play times with their releases. Ultima VI had upwards of 120 hrs of gaming in it, if you tracked down every little quest. Games like NWN have game times in the range of 40hrs. Heck, I finished it in two weeks! That's the shortest time I've ever spent on a CRPG.

blatant plug: check out Exult, the opensource implementation of Ultima VII for modern o/ses.

Calaethis Dragonsbane · 12-15-2002, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Redblueflare:

quote:
Originally posted by Paladin2000:
Yeah, no one cares much about storyline that much anymore. Nowadays it is all about graphics, sounds and multiplayer capability.

Pardon me for asking, but how do you figure that? I've think they've improved but then again my old days are a lot newer than anyone's in here. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Take NWNs as a classic example of bad storyline [img]tongue.gif[/img]

12-15-2002, 10:41 AM	#3
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 43 Posts: 5,421	I think PnP RPG's were better before 3rd Ed d&d (the main game i play) as for CRPG's the graphics have gotten better, but some of the other elements have lost out (save for bg1 & 2 and Torment) __________________ "Any attempt to cheat, especially with my wife, who is a dirty, dirty, tramp, and I am just gonna snap." Knibb High Principal - Billy Madison

12-15-2002, 11:07 AM	#4
Paladin2000 Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: February 19, 2002 Location: Your guess is as good as mine. Age: 52 Posts: 1,728	Yeah, no one cares much about storyline that much anymore. Nowadays it is all about graphics, sounds and multiplayer capability. __________________ (This is an invisible sig.)

12-15-2002, 11:32 AM	#5
Attalus Symbol of Bane Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Texas Age: 75 Posts: 8,167	Agree with Morgeruat about PS:T and BG being great, and I regard BGII as the greatest RPG of all time. __________________ Even Heroes sometimes fail...

12-15-2002, 01:14 PM	#7
/)eathKiller Dracolisk Join Date: January 5, 2002 Location: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Age: 38 Posts: 6,043	I'm playing FF 4 right now, this sure beats any other FF game (well maybe not tactics) Then again maybe thats just my Dragoon Fetish talking [img]tongue.gif[/img] DRAGOONS DRAGOONS! [img]tongue.gif[/img] They need to make a Modern FF game with Kain in it [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ [img]\"http://membres.lycos.fr/th8or/ZeroSigForIronworks.gif\" alt=\" - \" /> o.o;

12-15-2002, 07:29 PM	#9
Sir Krustin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: September 15, 2002 Location: Peterborough, ON, CANADA Age: 60 Posts: 1,394	I'm an ultima fan from way back! Also liked Fallout 1&2, and Deus Ex. Never played PS:T, one day I'll get around to playing that... Modern CRPGs (excepting the BG games) are definitely going downhill. Very few implement usable AIs or a deep storyline. Dungeon Siege, for example. I played it faithfully for a couple of weeks, and I did enjoy it - for a while. Frankly, the storyline amounts to variations of "hack then slash", "slash then hack", "repeat until done". I never finished it, and now it's uninstalled likely never to be reinstalled. Another thing I find interesting is that game developers are targetting shorter play times with their releases. Ultima VI had upwards of 120 hrs of gaming in it, if you tracked down every little quest. Games like NWN have game times in the range of 40hrs. Heck, I finished it in two weeks! That's the shortest time I've ever spent on a CRPG. blatant plug: check out Exult, the opensource implementation of Ultima VII for modern o/ses. __________________ If I say \"Eject!\" and you say \"Huh?\" - you\'ll be talking to yourself! - Maj. Bannister, <b>Steel Tiger</b>

12-15-2002, 10:18 AM	#1
aj142 Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: LA, CA, USA Age: 45 Posts: 15	I’ve actually seen it posted that RPGs aren’t what they used to be.. does anyone agree with that?

12-15-2002, 10:25 AM	#2
Eisenschwarz Guest Posts: n/a	Hmm, They were more simplistic usually had less depth (save Darklands) and were worse in most ways. However I do think Music was never the same since Salieri died, I mean everything since then has basically been a downhill slide.

12-15-2002, 01:20 PM	#8
skywalker Banned User Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: VT, USA Age: 63 Posts: 3,097	How far back are the games that "used to be"? I loved: Ultima 3, 4, 5... Bard's Tale Series Dragon Wars Wizardry Series Might & Magic 1, 2, 3... Champions, Death Knights, & Dark Queen of Krynn Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret Of the Silver Blades.... Magic Candle and more.... Good memories...I wonder if I'll feels the same about the games of the last decade? Mark

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