3rd Edition rules a turn off?

[Konfuzed and Zany]

Think about it
If Drizzt is allowed to be Chaotic Good
Then Hlf orc's should be allowed to be Lawful Good

What i most hated about ADnD were all them damn Resistrictions
I Have played 3rd Edition for 5 months so far and I like the rules much more then I liked ADnD
If ANY of you would just TRY it
Then you would know

[Jafin]

This argument about, 2E is better because.... or 3E is better because... is pointless because it's all subjective. I personally like 2E better but that's just my opinion. From what I hear, 3E has definite ups and downs compared to 2E. It's all what you prefer. The chances of finding a role-playing system this is EXACTLY what you want is almost nil, which is the reason for "house rules." My friend and I have been playing a one-on-one game between player and DM(that being me ) for about 2 years now and we have liberally peppered it with house rules (such as the elimination racial level limits, I hate those and material spell components). It's worked well. We've recently decided to go by "the rules" for the most part now and I'm really wondering how that'll effect the game. I'm hoping it'll turn out well, but I really wanna wait and see.

And as for the argument about elven paladins, I personally don't think that is very likely as it has been said that elves think very differently from humans. They're perspective doesn't really seem to allow for the ways of a paladin. But again, it would definitely allow for some interesting RPing opportunities.

So, to summarize it all, if 3E is closer to the way you want to play, then use that and adjust where you see fit. If 2E is closer, keep your adjusted rules, I'm sure you've got 'em already. And most importantly HAVE FUN!!!!!

-Jafin

[Soulclaw]

Honestly, AD&D (any edition) was a bad rule system. It was unbalanced, inconsistant, and very poorly thought out. D&D3E has a nice internal structure and answers a lot of questions ignored by AD&D. Most of the problems remaining in 3E are due to rules and ideas left over from earlier versions of D&D. I'm not at all sure if the D20 system is the best rule set for all genres, but I like it for fantasy games.

[WOLFGIR]

Jafin!

Good post! I think you hit the nail with that one!
Of course one should try and find the best system you can, and about the house rules.. I hate the spell components too! Use only thoose that demands a certain jewel or hard-to-find ingredient...

Houserules?? Hehe, you mean that stack of papers in the corner!

[Konfuzed and Zany]

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Originally posted by WOLFGIR:
Jafin!

Good post! I think you hit the nail with that one!
Of course one should try and find the best system you can, and about the house rules.. I hate the spell components too! Use only thoose that demands a certain jewel or hard-to-find ingredient...

Houserules?? Hehe, you mean that stack of papers in the corner!

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Bah Spell components
Gotta hate them

What do you need to cast light?
a piece of flurosent moss
man That way everybody can make light

I just bought some bag of unlimited spell components

[ispq]

The only complaint about the game system of the upcoming Neverwinter Nights is that it will not utilize all of third edition. Specifically, a maximum of three classes, rather then n where n = number of character levels. Also, no prestige classes in the initial release. We'll see how they handle certain spells, or if they even handle them at all (ie. Fly, a spell open to immense abuse.). I look forward to the game and hope to have a computer able to run it when the game is released.

[Jafin]

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Originally posted by WOLFGIR:
Jafin!

Good post! I think you hit the nail with that one!
Of course one should try and find the best system you can, and about the house rules.. I hate the spell components too! Use only thoose that demands a certain jewel or hard-to-find ingredient...

Houserules?? Hehe, you mean that stack of papers in the corner!

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Yeah, that stack of papers in the corner along with the rest of my created world lol! That's one of the reasons I haven't switched to a different system, more new rules! Well, that and the player won't even consider playing 3E, even for one adventure just to try it out. Some people are just too stubborn [img]smile.gif[/img] .

Hmmm.... I agree about not including things into NWN. Fly would be rather hard to implement into such a gaming world, among other things such as wraithform or leomunds tiny hut. We'll have to see what they do.

-Jafin

[WOLFGIR]

Jafin! [img]smile.gif[/img]
Hehe, I sooo understand you [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well how about ropetrick?? One of the best party spells ever. Rest in a secure place in another dimension pocket for up to eight hours once you are a lvl 8 wizard..

Soo many spells you will probably not be able to see too :S

Some of the feats and prestige classes will also be very hard to implement in NWN, but well I´m still psyched for this one..

[Sliven]

WEll I finally read through all those posts and from what i read:
there are many ups and downs from everyones point of view. But let me ask this. what is more important to you in your game ... mechanics or roleplay?

think about it. if you practice swinging a sword all the time you can learn it. the same goes with almost any skill. you can be trained. #e gives you the chance to Roleplay like never before. no longer do i have to be just like every other elven mage in the lands, witht he only differance being my spell selection. it was getting plane out boring. now i can Roleplay just about anything my mind can create. As long as the dm okays it. Isnt Roleplaying what AD&D is all about. now they have given us more power to really test our imaginations, and simplified the mechanics so we can dedicate more time to the roleplay and less to the mechanics. but again this is just my opinion as everyone here has stated theirs. in the end it all comes down to what your preference is. but if you choose to stay with 2nd edition and your group all goes to 3rd are you prepared to quit your group? to leave your friends?

okay next subject. RP in games

You will never get a lvl of roleplay into a online game or any3d computer game that you could get at a table top. end of story. the game is what you make of it. the roleplay is what you put into it. you can make it greator awful.

okay one last statement: IF you haventactually played with 3rd edition its not truly fair to judge it, skimming the books doesnt count as playing. Many of us on Openrpg use 3rd edition. I highly recomend those of you who want to know go to www.openrpg.com and download the software. join a game thats running on 3ed edition and watch. see what they think of it. I play every sunday at 6pm central time on a server called tangletrees feel free to drop in and see for yourself.

[Fungus]

LoL all this bitching about 3rd edition rules, and how any race can be any class, realy is kinda funny. For a start look on the BG2 forums and all you will see, is players saying how they edited there halfling to a cavilier [img]tongue.gif[/img] . Yet now they can get the option of a game where thats totaly legit, they complain how it was better when it wasn't alowed. [img]tongue.gif[/img]