It's just not right

[Gargoyle]

Doe's anybody else think that the fact that you can be a thief and at the same time be good is just wrong. I mean when was the last time you met a good thief, the fact that they steal automatically makes them unlawful, and yet you can go a lawful good thief. I think if your gonna be a thief you should play evil or at least neutral. Paladins can't play Evil because it would defeat the purpose and i think the same should apply to thiefs !

What do you folks think

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[Tancred]

Robin Hood! Simon (The Saint) Templar! Both were Good thieves - even if they were Chaotic - at best, Neutral - Good. Raffles might be an example of a Neutral thief. A good thief might be, for example, a suave highwayman-type, robbing the rich and giving to the poor.

But I agree with you - a Lawful Good thief seems... odd. Unless you play him as a REFORMED thief... which would sit well with his adventurer status.

Tancred

After all, whatever class you are, you're all still adventurers. Except Anomen, he's a lvl. 18 Ponce.

[Gargoyle]

Ah yes, Good Ol' Robin Hood, Just because he rob's from the rich, he's good, well it's still thieving as far as im concerned which makes him unlawful, but I suppose you'd consider him neutral because he did give most of it to the poor.

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[Tancred]

Well... I don't consider Robin to be Good because he gives to the Poor. I consider him good because he stole from the rich to further his long-term goal of thwarting the usurpation of King John/The Sheriff of Nottingham (depending on the version you know) and restoring the Lionheart to the throne.

Tancred

Ends justify the Means, and all that.

[Gargoyle]

Point taken Tancred, Indeed you state a good case as to why Robin could be considered good but... When I think of thief, I think of the back alley rogue and all that Jazz and goodness plays no part of it, as for lawful....

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[caleb]

In planescape:torment you meet a couple thiefs who could be considered lawful good. One is from mount celestia and considers himself a "engineer" rather then a thief and a thief named lenny that even a harmonium officer trusts.

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[Tancred]

I guess anyone who tries to play a Lawful Good thief simply sets themselves a very tough RPing challenge, and ends up with a condtradictory, rather narrow, shallow character - or, if they're exceptional, a masterfully crafted persona, with a VERY unique background. For the sake of common sense, I agree with thee.

Tancred

There's always room for the Exception to the Rule.

[Gimlee]

I think that you can't be a lawful good thief. It's the only alignement restriction about thieves.

Well, you can be a good thief by only disarming traps and picking locks.

[Ilvyn]

The troubleshooter kit is a thief kit that acts as a sort of security officer. In order to ensure security, you will have to know about thieving skills.

As for adventuring types, I think a thief should never be lawful, but can be good.

The lawful aspect offers a different dilemma, which laws is a character lawful to? As member of a thief's guild, a character may very well be lawful to the rules of the guild, but (hence) unlafwul to the laws of the country. What would the alignment of such a character be?

As a final verdict, I insist that alignment is merely a tool for good roleplaying, and should be applied with flexibility.

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Ilvyn the Black Son
Guardian of the Prime
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[Gd_00]

U CANT be a LAWFUL good thief