US Soldier captured by Iraqi terrorist scum

[Cerek]

Wow...can't you just feel the love in this thread.

Davros - I'm not going to go back and quote specific comments, mainly because I just don't have the time, but here are a few comments I have regarding your posts here.

First of all, you took offense at the title of the thread. After 3 pages, I've seen one or two others that actually agreed with this stance. Most others either said nothing or pointed out that they did not take offense and that perhaps - just perhaps - you read a bit too much into the title thread.

You have chastised Morgeruat more than once for not acknowledging that your interpretation of the thread title is correct and he should change it - or at least admit he was wrong. Yet when Violet mentioned on the first page that people should get too caught up in the wording of the title, your exact words were "I will call a spade a spade". As far as I can see, Morg holds the same positions. So, despite Barry's assertions to the contrary, you HAVE exhibited exactly the same type of behavior you accuse Morg. Specifically, when it was suggested that perhaps you were in error, you're response was "I ain't changing".

Also, you seem to think that EVERY right-wing conservative watches Fox News and Bill O'Reilly religiously. But as near as I can tell, you seem to watch it much more than Morg, John D., MagiK or myself. I never watch Fox News or Bill O'Reilly anymore myself and most of the others have admitted they don't either.

You claim that "statistics prove that 40%-60% of Fox viewers beleive their stories hook, line and sinker". But that fails to define exactly what percentage of Americans are actually "loyal Fox viewers". Judging from your posts, you seem to feel that ANY person expressing right-wing conservative views MUST be a loyal Fox viewer. Otherwise, they would be "informed" enough to realize their views are wrong and that yours are right.

In short, you ARE exhibiting much of the same behavior in your posts that you so frequently accuse Morg of in his. The question is, are you willing to go back and actually look at your posts objectively, or will you continue to exhibit the same kind of behavior that conservatives are constantly accused of here and say there is no reason to reevaluate your posts because you know you are right no matter what?"

Whew....it's been a while since I've gone off on a rant like that. Guess I'll sit back and watch the inevitable fireworks now.

[Morgeruat]

*pulls up a chair* welcome to the thread Cerek, as always a pleasure to see your well written posts.

and remember, "It's the Pelvic thruu-ust, that really drives you insa-a-a-ane, Let's do the Time Warp again"

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: Isn't it something like 5% of the worlds population but a third of the worlds pollution - there has to be some sort of responsibility here! China is still a developing nation - the US has the technology to have a real stab at alternative technology now. We focus on the US because it's the worst offender. By far. Not because of anti-Americanism or anything like that, simply because America is the biggest 'problem'. What's really bad is that Kyoto is only a small amount of what actually needs to be done, yet even that is considered unaceptable by the US. It does not bode well for the future. You'd think that with such a faith-based agenda, the Bush government would have taken stewardship views of the environment a bit more seriously

Sham, about 3 years ago we had this discussion on the CE thread when it first started. (It may have been before your time on IW ) I possed the question about how efficeint(sp?) the US was compared to the rest of the world ie: for each ton of coal/barrel of oil/cubic foot of natural gas how much polution was produced? One member of IW took up the challange (IIRC it was one of the "M" members not Morg, maybe it was "Milabar".) He was a graduate student, he did the work, had one of his professors double check the work before posting. (It was a beautiful peace of work, footnotes, sources and the like IIRC.) He discovered the US is more efficeint and effective for the most part ie: less polution out per energy in. The world would be better off to raise the 75% of the poluters(sp?) to the level of the USA, then to raise only a 25% poluter's efficeincy. If the USA lowered it's output by 10% that would be a 2.5% less polution amount(world wide). But if the rest of the world lowered their output by 10% it would be 7.5% less polution amount(world wide). *Those amounts are for illustration purposses only I don't recall the exact levels, it seems Europe was about 5-10% less clean then the USA, on 2 of the items and equal on the third. It fell off dramaticly when 3rd world nations where taken into account. While the USA maybe the largest single producer of polution, the USA is the Cleanest and most effective in limitting it's waste/polution.

The technology is already there, the USA is using it, the rest of the world is not. For many reasons some good some bad.

[shamrock_uk]

Thanks JD, I ran a few searches but couldn't find the one you referred to. Here's a good (if critical) summary of Bush's current energy policies which do seem to show a leaning towards fossil fuels and other more primitive methods of power generation. http://www.consciouschoice.com/note/note1407.html

[John D Harris]

Sham,
It was real early in the CE I don't know if it was lost in the great hard drive crash, and or server change of IW dark days. [img]smile.gif[/img] But I'm sure the research could be done again, me I'm to old for that kinda stuff
I've never gotten the search to work right

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: Thanks JD, I ran a few searches but couldn't find the one you referred to. Here's a good (if critical) summary of Bush's current energy policies which do seem to show a leaning towards fossil fuels and other more primitive methods of power generation. http://www.consciouschoice.com/note/note1407.html

Sorry Sham, I just couldn't get past this: "Before examining the specifics of the Bush energy plan, let's get one thing straight: there is no credible evidence that the United States is currently facing a nationwide energy crisis. In an editorial in the Washington Post, former president Jimmy Carter explains:

"No energy crisis exists now that equates in any way with those we faced in 1973 and 1979."

You'll have to give me a quick overview of what it says, I trust you Sham. When I see a statement IMHO that far out of wack with the supporting evidence, I then view the rest with a dump truck load of doubt.

anybody else notice how if the level of an energy crisis in 1973 and 1979 is not reached then that means there is no energy crisis? The correct statement should have been "there is no creditible evidence that the Unitied States is currently facing an energy crisis equating the crisis of 1973 and/or 1979" There is a difference between no crisis and no crisis reaching a certain level.*Note 1973 was because OPEC shut the specket(sp?) off do to the Yom Kippor(sp?) war, not because the world was running out of energy. 1979 seems to me it was because oil prices were to low and OPEC wanted more money, but I could be wrong on that, the grey matter hard drive ain't what it used to be. Memory is the 2nd thing to go, and I forgot what the 1st is.

[ 02-08-2005, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Absynthe: quote: Originally posted by Morgeruat: quote: Originally posted by Davros: The title shows a lack of class on his part and racist xenophobia. He could have used lots of alternatives. His only defence is "I won't change". Sounds like a bit of the "Fair and Balanced" one coming through. I can understand how people get this mindset if they watch too much FOX. It should not be OK to offend people - the title is offensive. Linking Iraqi and terrorist is OK, linking terrorist and scum is OK - either of those would have done the trick. Linking a country with scum is offensive. It doesn't become unoffensive because you have troops in that country. Link a country and their citizens to the word scum and you develop the inbred hatred and rage that dominated those that dished out the way over the top abuse at Abu Ghraib. I bet all those guys wandered about calling Iraqii's scum too. Let's promote that shall we? Not me!!!

OK {edit} Inattentive person incapable of independent thought {/edit}, apparently while picking apart my title you neglected to notice the qulifiers in said title, I did not call Iraq scum, nor Iraqi's as scum, I said "Iraqi Terrorist Scum" which means quite literally Iraqi's who are terrorists are scum, what part of that is so hard for YOUR racist xenophobic mind to comprehend.

Furthermore, Iraqi's are made up of several ethnic groups, not one, so calling it racist is about the same as calling my distaste for Islam racist, Islamofascists (which all faithful adherents to that barbaric death cult are. Don't believe me, I can quote you hundreds of verses both from the hadiths and Koran proving my point I would rather resolve that over PM to respect the moratorium) come from nearly all races, ethnic groups, skin colors, regions, whatever delineator you choose to use to apply your hateful slur against me to try and detract from the validity of anything I have to say. [/QUOTE]Maybe it's just my tender sensibilities, but it seems that calling Islam a "barbaric death cult" may just be a little over the line in terms of what's allowed here.
But don't let me spoil your rant... [/QUOTE]This is what I meant by "barbaric death cult" don't like it, then take a look at the koran, the hadiths, and without identifying yourself as a non-muslim go to askimam.com and ask the imam's (muslim clerics) what various passages mean, what taqiya means, what the doctrine of abrogation is. Hear the bile and vomit from their own mouths.

Warning I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breath with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. Following are the Islamic message to the West. To the infidels of the West: Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction. We will fight the infidel to death. Meanwhile American laws will protect us. Democrats and Leftist will support us. UNO will legitimize us. CAIR will incubate us. ACLU will empower us. Western Universities will educate us. Mosques will shelter us OPEC will finance us Hollywood will love us. Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists. Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children’s educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools. We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad. We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country’s interest than US interest. We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel. Once we do that from the very early age our children won’t hesitate to be martyr. We will take over the Europe first and then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the US. Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad when time comes. Who are we? We are the “sleeper cells”. We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only. Everything else is secondary. At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”. We know CNN, ABC, CBS are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire. “Americans killed 6 babies, 10 babies”. “Jews killed two women”, Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or hightech weaponery in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you. Visualize the news flash all over the world, …Moslem mother is sobbing, ….crying. ….Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans, the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad. West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper. You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us? On the camera: We will always say, “Islam is the religion of Peace.” We will say, “Jihad is actually inner Jihad.” Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible. Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam. Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely. We will increase in number. We will double again. You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, “wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people”, But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911. There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.” Muslims, CAIR, ISNA, MPAC and other international Islamic Organization will unite. We will partner with Leftist, ACLU, with Koffi Annan, and the UN, and if we have to then even with France. Fasten your seatbelt. The war of civilizations has just begun. We will recite Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will video tape those and send it to all infidels to watch. They will surrender - ISLAM means surrender. We will use your own values of kindness against you. You are destined to loose. Must be very depressing for you. Isn’t it? Allah-Hu-Akbar as we say just before beheading. 21st Century Islamic Warfare Let's see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare. Muslims Vs. the West. THE RULE HAS CHANGED. There is new game in town. Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama's family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment) In return Osama's attack on the US. Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000. Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead. At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect. Osama's ROI with respect to: life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold. Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold That is modern warfare. The West will loose. Allah-Hu-Akbar. Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word. From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, West looses. Are you sure you want to play this game? Jihad, ..Jihad...Jeeehaaad... You are destined to loose. Allah-hu-Akbar SOTT [Sight of the Truth] Saudi Arabia's $100 billion investment over the last 3 decades on over 60 thousands Madrassas and school all over the Islamic world is finally paying off. While the West was busy inventing medicine, increasing life expectancy, elevating human suffering, decoding human gene to find cure for Cancer, heart disease etc, launching space shuttle, inventing internet, working on new laws/theory for human rights, developing better economical models for a more prosperous world, while ACLU was gaining control over common sense, while American ingenuity was benefiting the rest of the world, we Muslims were busy producing over 200 million out of 1.4 billion, Walking, Talking, Non-Thinking, West-Hating, Pre-Programmed, Suicidal, Parasitic, Terrorist Robots. You can't win. The Genie is out of the bottle. We will use American’s kindness, fairness, compassion, freedom of speech and non-discriminatory policy against them. We will stab them in the back. What are you going to do? You are doomed. SOTT [Sight of the Truth] Tim--ex-Muslim

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/co...907&catcode=13

[Davros]

You read way too much into things Cerek, but your disagreement with me (shock gasp horror) is noted .

All I see is a failure to show the moral fibre to do the right thing because it was called for by someone who usually argues the ante. If it was called for by somone who usually argues pro it would have been acknowledged and changed ages ago. Blind stubborness can be seen by some to be only a virtue, but as you are aware it is a two edged sword.

That is the crime - it is also the punishment .

OK - been back - re-evaluated - still boils down to the paragraph up there. Stiff neck symphony. Now that Morgie is pulling up a chair and basking in your supporting glow we can give up any notion that the right thing willl be done, and instead expect the RIGHT thing will continue to be done (sigh).

You Cerek are taking me down a path that I have steadfastly avoided in this thread up till now. The path of the like minded simile.

When it boils down to it, if I lost the plot with some nameless American (think outside the IW box - this is hypothetical) and labelled them as "redneck scum", how much more offensive would it be if I labelled him as "American redneck scum". By your arguments the answer is that the one title is no more offensive than the other but I think that is bollocks plain and simple. I think the hue and cry of outrage would be immeasurably greater and rightly so. The 2nd term to me would be as unforgiveable as the title of this thread. Come out and tell me honestly Cerek that the 2nd doesn't offend you more. Putting the country in the term unforgiveably slanders the country in a manner that is unacceptable.

FOX - yes - I am out to condemn their misinformation. Lets not pretend that no-one here ever watches it. What perecntage of American households is it the main news source? What percentage of those would be democrat households? How many posts have we seen hereabouts that show there are people here amongst us that believe that WOMD were found and that are dead set sure links between Saddam and Al Queda. Let's not spread the net wider than I was setting it bud. I am aware that not everyone watches FOX, but I am aware that FOX watchers know less truth than what they think they now too.

[ 02-08-2005, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: Davros ]

[John D Harris]

Morg, I wouldn't put a whole lot of Credence(sp?) to that, the objectives maybe, the results noway in "HALE". Make no mistake one day the USA will fall as did Rome, Greece, Egypt and all others before us. But the day the dark ages start anew, and this puppy(the USA) comes apart from outside forces, it will not be with a whimper but with a bang. When it does, the ACLU, and Constitution will be of NO help to anybody. Real and imagined scores will be settled. There will be weepin' and gnashing of teeth, the likes of which haven't been seen since the Plauges hit Egypt. No place on this earth will be immune, industries the world over will fail, city stereets will run red with the blood of their inhabitants fighting over the last twinkies and Ho-ho's. What the "Hale" are the Islamofascists going to do, load their tanks up on ships and invade the Americas? They don't make any tanks, guns, artilary, etc. they buy them from others that have industries. Those industries will have gone the way of the dinosaurs, as will the industries that build the pieces parts to keep things going. What are they (Islamofascists) going to do cross the ocean in their reed sailing ships? Those of us that surive will be making man of wars out of sturdy oak to slice the papyrus ships far out to sea. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 02-08-2005, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

[Morgeruat]

John D. I don't believe it will occur either, but those are the stated goal of Islamofascists (at least among themselves even if they would never publicly admit it to western media).