Madman's Discussion on Drug Use (NO GLORIFYING DRUG USE HERE)

[Madman-Rogovich]

johnny, you wouldnt? have you any idea how many people in the world die as a result of alcohol???

Originally posted by MagiK: im not saying you are wrong, but could you please show me the evidence of what you say here is true? Studies? Examples of where it has been tried and is working successfully? I like to see source documentation on occasion [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QB]

Look At “The War on Drugs”,
Has it reduced drug usage?
No.
Has it filled up U.S prisons with thousands upon thousands of people who’ve simply used a drug?
Yes.
All around the world polices to stop usage by force of law have field,
So what always proves more successful is regulation and legalisation,
Look at Holland for a minor example, there are less people imprisoned, less people dieing from OD’s, less drug related crimes etc.

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Earthdog: Test have show that pot will not effect a human fetus. A pregnant female can smoke 90 joints of Delta 9 per day for 6 months and there are no effects on the fetus. Drinking 90 shots of liquor a day for 6 months by a pregnant female will not only likely kill the female but the unborn baby as well.

*ahem* only if she uses a waterpipe, I hasten to add. 90 joints with tobacco in them will DEFINITELY harm theunborn child [img]graemlins/idontagreeatall.gif[/img]
I completely agree that alcohol is more dangerous than pot, but trust me, you should rather use alcohol moderately (no more than 1-2 units a day) than smoke pot excessively. It DOES have ill side effects.

[johnny]

You're absolutely right, Dramnek !

Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: im not saying you are wrong, but could you please show me the evidence of what you say here is true? Studies? Examples of where it has been tried and is working successfully? I like to see source documentation on occasion [img]smile.gif[/img]

Look At “The War on Drugs”,
Has it reduced drug usage?
No.
Has it filled up U.S prisons with thousands upon thousands of people who’ve simply used a drug?
Yes.
All around the world polices to stop usage by force of law have field,
So what always proves more successful is regulation and legalisation,
Look at Holland for a minor example, there are less people imprisoned, less people dieing from OD’s, less drug related crimes etc.[/QB][/QUOTE] Hey Dramnek, you missed the point of my question. I already know for a fact that Prohibition doesn't work...it was tried with alcohol and failed miserably. What I want to know is...are there any real world evidence or examples wherein completely legalised and government run drug distribution works?

Does it enrich the community? does it better the quality of life? Does it promote better health? Longer life? raise property values, restore hair? substitute for viagara?....basicly what I am asking is...where are the positive benefits for society for legalised drugs?

I think it doesn't matter if Drugs are legalised, I think they will still ruin life, altho some corporation or company will manufacture them and grow rich off the product and become one more target for socialists to complain about [img]smile.gif[/img]

I don't do drugs because I choose not to, not because there is a law saying I can't. I don't have a good answer on how to cure the problem...but I think if we legalise them, allow all the addicts to OD and kill them selves off (preferably before reproducing themselves) (and not receive publicly funded medical care) go for it, the gene pool will ultimately be enriched.....maybe some form of voluntary sterilization...you can do drugs if you let us sterilize you so you cannot reproduce or bring children into that environment.
Because legalised or not, there are no beneficial health or social reasons to do coke, crack, heroin, meth or pot. (well THC may be medicaly useful)

[ 07-11-2002, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[ghost581]

Drugs are bad, n-kay.

Originally posted by johnny: You're absolutely right, Dramnek !

Some facts about Hollands Drug policy.

Domestic Drug Policy
Despite the high priority given by the Dutch Government to fighting narcotics trafficking, the Netherlands continues to be an important transit point for drugs entering Europe, a major producer and exporter of amphetamines and synthetic drugs, and an important consumer of most illicit drugs. The exportation of the synthetic drug ecstasy to the U.S. during 1999 reached epidemic proportions. The Netherlands' special synthetic drug unit, set up in 1997 to coordinate the fight against designer drugs, appears to be successful. The Dutch Government has stepped up border controls and intensified cooperation with neighboring countries.

All drugs are illegal in the Netherlands. The Dutch Opium Act, however, distinguishes between "hard" drugs, having "unacceptable" risks (heroin, cocaine, etc.) and "soft" drugs (cannabis). One of the main aims of this policy is to separate the markets for soft and hard drugs so that soft drug users are less likely to come into contact with hard drugs. The sale of a small quantity (no more than 5 grams per person) of soft drugs in "coffee shops" is tolerated, albeit under strict criteria and increasing government control. The United States continues to disagree with this aspect of Dutch drug policy. Although drug abuse, as opposed to trafficking, is seen primarily as a public health issue, responsibility for drug policy is shared by both the Ministries of Health, Welfare, and Sports, and Justice.

The Netherlands spends more than $150 million on facilities for addicts, of which about 50% goes to drug addicts. The Netherlands has extensive demand reduction programs, reaching about 90% of the country's 25,000 to 28,000 hard drug users. The number of hard-drug addicts has stabilized in the past few years and their average age has risen to 38. The number of drug-related deaths in the country remains the lowest in Europe.

Gathered from the files of the US State Department.
According to this Holland is doing everything it can to reduce hard drug use.b My question is...why should Joe citizen have $150 MILLION of his tax dollars going to burned out drug addicts who harmed themselves?

[Neb]

Remove all safety nets involving drugs and legalize it all, personal accounts from those who ruin their lives because of it will stop most drug use, then. It'd weed out a lot of idiots and it'd clear out a lot of drug use.

Originally posted by MagiK: Does it enrich the community? does it better the quality of life? Does it promote better health? Longer life? raise property values, restore hair? substitute for viagara?....basicly what I am asking is...where are the positive benefits for society for legalised drugs?

Do cigarettes?
Do alcohol?
Do Pr0n?
They are all legal,
The postive benefits are that It will mean less ruined lives, more knowledge over what you are getting into when you take them, thus less people will use them and the reduction of crime.

Originally posted by MagiK: I don't do drugs because I choose not to, not because there is a law saying I can't. I don't have a good answer on how to cure the problem...but I think if we legalise them, allow all the addicts to OD and kill them selves off (preferably before reproducing themselves) (and not receive publicly funded medical care) go for it, the gene pool will ultimately be enriched.....maybe some form of voluntary sterilization...you can do drugs if you let us sterilize you so you cannot reproduce or bring children into that environment.

I hope that is a joke, since it is an very reactionary and poorly thought out view.

Originally posted by MagiK: Gathered from the files of the US State Department. According to this Holland is doing everything it can to reduce hard drug use.b My question is...why should Joe citizen have $150 MILLION of his tax dollars going to burned out drug addicts who harmed themselves? [/QB]

Not Joe citizen…
TAX THE RICH!!!!
DO YOU HEAR ME!!!
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAX THE EVERYDAY MAN!!!! JUST USE INCOME TAX ON HIGH EARNERS!!!!
AND MORE CORPERATE TAXES AND GREEN TAXES!!!!
That can easily generate vast sums of money for the U.S government to use on Socail engineering.

Besides $150million is a paltry sum, A tiny increase in corperate tax could easily generate it.